Very pregnant guppy making yellow poops?

[cherryshrimp]

This guppy has been pregnant for at least 5 weeks. Last few days has shown signs she is going to give birth so I’ve moved the two males out of the tank. Today she is hovering at the top of the tank, barely swimming and breathing heavy. I can see many dots on her Gravid spot. Just saw her poop out a couple little yellow poops like this over the course of 15 min. Is this a cause for concern?

 

[Colin_T]

Is the fish still eating well?

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Fish do a stringy white poop for several reasons.
1) Internal Bacterial Infections causes the fish to stop eating, swell up like a balloon, breath heavily at the surface or near a filter outlet, do stringy white poop, and die within 24-48 hours of showing these symptoms. This cannot normally be cured because massive internal organ failure has already occurred.

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2) Internal Protozoan Infections cause the fish to lose weight rapidly (over a week or two), fish continues to eat and swim around but not as much as normal, does stringy white poop. If not treated the fish dies a week or so after these symptoms appear. Metronidazole normally works well for this.

There is a medication (API General Cure) that contains Praziquantel and Metronidazole.

It's interesting that API and the Californian government have listed Metronidazole as a carcinogen. That's a concern considering it was widely used to treat intestinal infections in people.

Anyway, if you use this or any medication, handle with care, don't ingest or inhale the medication, and wash hands with soapy water after treating the fish or working in the tank.

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3) Intestinal Worms like tapeworm and threadworms cause the fish to lose weight, continue eating and swimming normally, and do a stringy white poop. Fish can do this for months and not be too badly affected. In some cases, fish with a bad worm infestation will actually gain weight and get fat and look like a pregnant guppy. This is due to the huge number of worms inside the fish.

Livebearers like guppies, mollies, swordtails & platies are regularly infected with gill flukes and intestinal worms. If the fish are still eating well, then worms is the most likely cause.

You can use Praziquantel to treat tapeworm and gill flukes. And Levamisole to treat thread/ round worms. If you can't find these medications, look for Flubendazole, which treats both lots of worms.

Remove carbon from filters before treatment and increase aeration/ surface turbulence to maximise oxygen levels in the water.

You treat the fish once a week for 4 weeks. The first treatment will kill any worms in the fish. The second, third and forth treatments kill any baby worms that hatch from eggs inside the fish's digestive tract.

Treat every fish tank in the house at the same time to prevent cross contamination.
You do a 75% water change and complete gravel clean 24-48 hours after treatment.

Clean the filter 24 hours after treatment too.

Do not use the 2 medications together. If you want to treat both medications in a short space of time, use Praziquantel on day one. Do a 75% water change and gravel clean the substrate on day 2 & 3. Treat the tank with Levamisole on day 4 and do a 75% water change and gravel clean on day 5, 6 & 7 and then start with Praziquantel again on day 8.

The water changes will remove most of the medication so you don't overdose the fish the next time you treat them. The gravel cleaning will suck out any worms and eggs that have been expelled by the fish. Repeating the treatment for 3-4 doses at weekly intervals will kill any worms that hatch from eggs. At the end of the treatment you will have healthier fish.

 

[cherryshrimp]

Is the fish still eating well?

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Fish do a stringy white poop for several reasons.
1) Internal Bacterial Infections causes the fish to stop eating, swell up like a balloon, breath heavily at the surface or near a filter outlet, do stringy white poop, and die within 24-48 hours of showing these symptoms. This cannot normally be cured because massive internal organ failure has already occurred.

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2) Internal Protozoan Infections cause the fish to lose weight rapidly (over a week or two), fish continues to eat and swim around but not as much as normal, does stringy white poop. If not treated the fish dies a week or so after these symptoms appear. Metronidazole normally works well for this.

There is a medication (API General Cure) that contains Praziquantel and Metronidazole.

It's interesting that API and the Californian government have listed Metronidazole as a carcinogen. That's a concern considering it was widely used to treat intestinal infections in people.

Anyway, if you use this or any medication, handle with care, don't ingest or inhale the medication, and wash hands with soapy water after treating the fish or working in the tank.

-----
3) Intestinal Worms like tapeworm and threadworms cause the fish to lose weight, continue eating and swimming normally, and do a stringy white poop. Fish can do this for months and not be too badly affected. In some cases, fish with a bad worm infestation will actually gain weight and get fat and look like a pregnant guppy. This is due to the huge number of worms inside the fish.

Livebearers like guppies, mollies, swordtails & platies are regularly infected with gill flukes and intestinal worms. If the fish are still eating well, then worms is the most likely cause.

You can use Praziquantel to treat tapeworm and gill flukes. And Levamisole to treat thread/ round worms. If you can't find these medications, look for Flubendazole, which treats both lots of worms.

Remove carbon from filters before treatment and increase aeration/ surface turbulence to maximise oxygen levels in the water.

You treat the fish once a week for 4 weeks. The first treatment will kill any worms in the fish. The second, third and forth treatments kill any baby worms that hatch from eggs inside the fish's digestive tract.

Treat every fish tank in the house at the same time to prevent cross contamination.
You do a 75% water change and complete gravel clean 24-48 hours after treatment.

Clean the filter 24 hours after treatment too.

Do not use the 2 medications together. If you want to treat both medications in a short space of time, use Praziquantel on day one. Do a 75% water change and gravel clean the substrate on day 2 & 3. Treat the tank with Levamisole on day 4 and do a 75% water change and gravel clean on day 5, 6 & 7 and then start with Praziquantel again on day 8.

The water changes will remove most of the medication so you don't overdose the fish the next time you treat them. The gravel cleaning will suck out any worms and eggs that have been expelled by the fish. Repeating the treatment for 3-4 doses at weekly intervals will kill any worms that hatch from eggs. At the end of the treatment you will have healthier fish.

She eats voraciously. You are helping me treat tape/threadworms in one of my Other tanks. You advised me to treat all tanks in the house, and so far I’ve declined to do this. I’m using Levamisole and Prazipro in that tank. Do you think these small yellow poops indicate the worms have spread to this tank? If so, I suppose I’ll go ahead and treat all 3 tanks in the house....

 

[Colin_T]

If the fish is eating well and doing stringy white poop, then it probably has worms too and should be treated.

 

[AdoraBelle Dearheart]

She eats voraciously. You are helping me treat tape/threadworms in one of my Other tanks. You advised me to treat all tanks in the house, and so far I’ve declined to do this. I’m using Levamisole and Prazipro in that tank. Do you think these small yellow poops indicate the worms have spread to this tank? If so, I suppose I’ll go ahead and treat all 3 tanks in the house....

Do you share nets, buckets or syphons among the tanks? Or put your hands in one then another without washing your hands in between? Because any of those things can spread the worm eggs, which is why it's always recommended to treat all the tanks in the house at once.

I did the same thing when I first discovered some of my livebearers had worms, tried to just treat the one tank, but it just meant I saw signs of worms in the other tanks a few months later since I used the same equipment for water changes, and had to start over and medicate them all. Livebearers are also notorious for being full of worms when you buy them, and a lot of standard cheaper wormers don't cover all worm types. Levamisole and prazipro are good though. Sorry you're going through the same!

I've decided that any other livebearers I buy will be wormed in quarantine from now on, it's just so much easier than spreading it to all the main tanks!

 

[cherryshrimp]

Do you share nets, buckets or syphons among the tanks? Or put your hands in one then another without washing your hands in between? Because any of those things can spread the worm eggs, which is why it's always recommended to treat all the tanks in the house at once.

I did the same thing when I first discovered some of my livebearers had worms, tried to just treat the one tank, but it just meant I saw signs of worms in the other tanks a few months later since I used the same equipment for water changes, and had to start over and medicate them all. Livebearers are also notorious for being full of worms when you buy them, and a lot of standard cheaper wormers don't cover all worm types. Levamisole and prazipro are good though. Sorry you're going through the same!

I've decided that any other livebearers I buy will be wormed in quarantine from now on, it's just so much easier than spreading it to all the main tanks!

thanks for the answer. Great to hear someone in the same boat. I got these guppies 6 months ago, when I knew literally nothing about fish. No quarantine, no nothing. And it’s been a hell of a 6 months for these guppies, literally endless problems. It’s been quite a relief to finally be able to diagnose it as tapeworms or threadworms.

I’d like to end this 6 month battle, so I will definitely be treating all tanks after reading your comment. I’ve been hesitant to treat all tanks since Levamisole is not a light medicine, but I’m going all in now. Any advice on treating Levamisole and Prazipro at the same time?

 

[AdoraBelle Dearheart]

thanks for the answer. Great to hear someone in the same boat. I got these guppies 6 months ago, when I knew literally nothing about fish. No quarantine, no nothing. And it’s been a hell of a 6 months for these guppies, literally endless problems. It’s been quite a relief to finally be able to diagnose it as tapeworms or threadworms.

I’d like to end this 6 month battle, so I will definitely be treating all tanks after reading your comment. I’ve been hesitant to treat all tanks since Levamisole is not a light medicine, but I’m going all in now. Any advice on treating Levamisole and Prazipro at the same time?

I had the same thing, so at least know that you're not alone! I regretted trying to get away with only treating the one tank, but it's a natural impulse, so don't beat yourself up. I also didn't know how often livebearers are carrying worms without showing signs, often for months. It sucks having to medicate all the tanks, with repeat treatments and things, it drags out, but it's better once it's all over and done! I'm out the other side now and the tanks are so much better and less stress and worry, hoping for the same for you!

Medications are different in the US vs the UK, so I don't know the treatment regime for the meds you have. I just know that the med I used that contained levamisole is good for treating roundworms, and I used it in tanks that contain cories, shrimp, snails and otos - all more sensitive to medications, and they were fine. No deaths or signs of stress. That medication I used is eSHa ndx, but it isn't available in the US. The active ingredient is the important part though, and it being levaisole is good.

I wouldn't use both medications at the same time though, no. That's too much stress to put on fish, and you never know whether different meds would interact with each other in a negative way. Do one, then after some water changes and perhaps running carbon to remove the remainder of that medication once treatment is complete, use the other one.

For me, the levamisole med was a 24 hour treatment, then a two week gap before repeating. My flatworm medication (eSHa-gdex) was a three day course, repeated later, so after dosing the levamisole for 24 hours, I did large water changes for two days, then did the gdex treatment during that two week gap before repeating the levamisole med.