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Murrayjane

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I have a 55 gallon tank containing 2 convicts, and a few other cichlids including firemouth, jack dempsey etc... The male and female are dominating the tank (as foreseen) and I would now like to isolate one of them. My question is that if I separate one of them and keep the other in the tank, which sex should I remove? Is one sex particularly better for a community tank? Will separating them make both of them calm down? Or will they remain overly aggressive?

Any help anyone can provide is GREATLY appreciated.

-Murray
 
Hopefully when you were reading about Convicts you read the bit about "extremely aggressive" and "must not be kept with less aggressive cichlids such as Firemouths". What you're describing is exactly and precisely what Convicts do, and why they are very bad choices for the vast majority of casual fishkeepers. Don't get me wrong about them being interesting fish, and if you have the means to keep them, they're good fish for things like behavioural studies in labs. But as general aquarium fish, they're too big and far too aggressive to be useful.

Matched pairs will simply exterminate anything else in the tank they view as a threat to their offspring (and if they haven't spawned yet, they soon will). You can keep matched pairs in tanks around the 30-40 gallon size and have fun with them (in smaller tanks they tend to hide away all the time or else just look terrified). Singletons can work in mixed species communities because outside of breeding they aren't so aggressive. But even a singleton would be a poor choice for a community system, and do bear in mind that they may try to "talk" to other cichlids through swimming behaviours and fights, and Convicts are famous (notorious) for dislocating the jaws of Firemouth cichlids when the two are kept together. (The reason Firemouths have their red throats is because they've evolved special jaws for sifting sand, they're eartheater cichlids really, and those special jaws are very delicate and when used for fights get broken. Normally Firemouths bluff-fight to one another, but other cichlids don't understand that, and Convicts will mouth-fight Firemouths and inevitably win, maiming the Firemouth and condemning it to certain death by starvation.)

Females are smaller than males, so of the two, female Convicts might be trusted with medium-sized fish that move quickly and stay out of trouble. Males should only be kept with bigger, more aggressive cichlids species. My own Convicts were kept in a 200-gallon system with a Midas cichlid, a Jaguar cichlid, and a few very large catfish (mostly L-numbers, but also a Channel Cat). My point is that Convicts need to be kept with fish that can shrug them off. Don't try and keep with with mollies, swordtails, etc., even if water chemistry seems right.

Cheers, Neale
 
Neale, Thanks a lot for the prompt response. I managed to return the convicts earlier today and exchanged them for a jaguar cichlid, I also added a lot of additional caves. Fortunately, the firemouth remains in one piece and had not encountered any major incidents with the convicts. Believe me, I had sort information online, but had been assured by another that breeding convicts would have been alright provided I had enough hiding spaces. I now comprehend that this cannot be the case as I have learned first hand.

The only pending potential problem is that I have mixed cichlids (african and new american) Dempsey, Firemouth, Jag, Peacock, and a Livingston all in a 55 gallon. Now that the convicts have been removed, they all appear to be cooperating a lot better, however, I know in time this will change. Other than hiding spaces, are there any better ways to further prevent tension in a cichlid tank?
 
Glad to help.

There actually is a Convict-like species called the Honduran Red Spot that's somewhat less aggressive. While I wouldn't trust it with Firemouths (I'd recommend keeping Thorichthys spp generally away from other cichlids unless you are sure they'll be safe) it seems to work a bit more reliably in mixed species set-ups than Convicts. On the downside, with hybridisation being so common among careless aquarists, you can't always be sure the Honduran Red Spots really are pure-bred Amatitlania siquia.

Now, the Firemouth, Peacock and Livingstoni combination might be okay. None of these is especially aggressive, and they each occupy somewhat different niches, so should ignore each other. Jaguars vary; my male specimen was a total pussycat most of the time and only really tangled with the Midas cichlid. But you do hear stories of Jags that are real terrors, and by any standards they're big, strong fish. So keep a close eye on it. The same for the JD; they're usually not too aggressive outside of breeding, but they are strongly territorial, so again, look out for signs of friction.

Most cichlids adopt an "out of sight, out of mind" attitude because they're strongly visual fish. Breaking up lines of sight will help a lot. Orient caves so they point towards the outside of the tank rather than the centre where the fish congregate. Place tall structures on the bottom of the tank that act as visual blocks, for example upright slates or bogwood roots. If you can get plants (perhaps plastic plants) that the fish won't wreck, they're great for this purpose.

Alternatively, "overstocking" can work. This doesn't really mean adding twice as many fish as your tank can hold, but rather, adding more fish that there are possible territories. Under aquarium conditions medium-sized cichlids typically claim an area around 50-60 cm across, if not larger. If you hold more (usually male) specimens of a given species in a tank than there are territories, those males can't establish territories, and territorial aggression is much higher when a fish has claimed a territory than when it is trying to find one. Seems paradoxical, but there you go. So if you had, say, a 55 gallon tank and placed 6 male Firemouths in there, it's unlikely any one male would be able to claim a viable territory, so aggression between them would be less. If you watch cichlids in retailer's tanks, you'll see this sort of thing: lots of threats, but rarely any actual fighting until the retailer is down to last couple of Convicts or whatever in the tank.

Personally, I'm not a fan of overstocking outside of Mbuna systems. Partly it's because you're locked into keeping lots of one cichlid species, so if you want "one of everything" this approach doesn't really work. But also because heavily stocked systems are harder to keep, and cichlids notoriously sensitive to nitrate, the scourge of heavily-stocked tanks. There's also the problem that when the fish get older and one or two of them die, then the remaining fish may be able to claim territories and before you know it they start seriously fighting.

Long term your Jaguar will need a bigger tank than 55 gallons anyway, so as/when he starts throwing his weight around you will want to rehome him. The JD is the wildcard, but with luck it's a female and won't cause too many problems, especially if the tank is well-stocked with rocks and plants, and perhaps even some very robust dither fish (Mexican tetras for example). Without the JD, you should find lesser mortals like Swordtails or the larger Rainbowfish do okay (providing of course they're too big for the Livingstoni to view as food!). Thorichthys especially are rather shy, and if you have a group of dither fish with them they spend a lot more time in the open.

Cheers, Neale

Neale, Thanks a lot for the prompt response. I managed to return the convicts earlier today and exchanged them for a jaguar cichlid, I also added a lot of additional caves. Fortunately, the firemouth remains in one piece and had not encountered any major incidents with the convicts. Believe me, I had sort information online, but had been assured by another that breeding convicts would have been alright provided I had enough hiding spaces. I now comprehend that this cannot be the case as I have learned first hand.

The only pending potential problem is that I have mixed cichlids (african and new american) Dempsey, Firemouth, Jag, Peacock, and a Livingston all in a 55 gallon. Now that the convicts have been removed, they all appear to be cooperating a lot better, however, I know in time this will change. Other than hiding spaces, are there any better ways to further prevent tension in a cichlid tank?
 
Neale, im just getting into the SA/C American fish and have to say ... A VERY interesting & informative post .... Excellent.
You are clearly a well experienced fish keeper!!
 
Thanks for the kind words. Both South American and Central American cichlids can be superb fish, but remember that (with a very few exceptions) they don't mix well together. Among Central Americans, there are a few very calm species like the Rainbow Cichlid but most are quite aggressive. Conversely, South American cichlids tend to be easy-going until they're actually spawning. So choose species carefully.

Cheers, Neale
 
My fish seem to be doing a lot better. The Firemouth now comes out of his cave a little more and although there is some small friction between the other fish, no physical fighting has occurred(at least from what I have observed). I agree with you that overstocking is not the way to go. As the fish get larger and more territorial they will become much more aggressive and as you would agree, if I lose one too many tank mates, it will require me to either constantly get more fish, or I would have to promptly upgrade my tank. I think the best solution for me while they remain in the 55 gallon is to keep expanding on the cave system. So far I have built some very comfortable and unique caves (pictures coming soon!) and the cichlids seem to love them. The new jag has been very mellow towards the other fish thus far, the only encounter was with the JD, but nothing serious. The jag is quickly becoming my favorite as he seems to be the only fish who doesn't want nor need to hide. He has a beautiful gold, black and purple color to him.

My next question is: If I have the Jag, JD, Livingston, Peacock, and Firemouth. Assuming that I want them all to be healthy and happy for many years, what is the most realistic tank size for them to all be in? I know many feel strongly about giving their fish plenty of swimming space, but I am asking more on the lines of "reasonable" swimming space. My guess is that since all of them will become 6-12 inches, I would need an aquarium around 95-125 gallons minimum. Would this be correct?
 

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