Question About Combining Maracyn 1 And 2

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OK, I have been googling like crazy and still cannot find a clear answer!! :shout: When combining Maracyn 1 and 2 , do you use full dose of both or half of each ??? I was thinking full dose of both since one is for gram positive and the other is for gram negative. SUGGESTIONS PLEASE!!!! I dont want to overdose my allready sick fishies :sad:
 
Thank You... but here lies my problem......... I was using both to treat septicemia on my gouramis but my local pet store told me to do half dose of each...so I did that for 5 days..did a nice water change today and then noticed this problem!!! So the directions say you can do 5 more days but I was wondering can I do more than 5 now since I have Half-dosed in the first run!!! HELP PLEASE!!!
 
Ignore both the shop as well as the instructions. Med the full dose of both daily, with a 50% water change or more daily, for 10-14 days.
 
Ignore both the shop as well as the instructions. Med the full dose of both daily, with a 50% water change or more daily, for 10-14 days.



Should I redose whatever I took out when I do the water change or just add the full dose for that day ???

AND will it be ok to do 2 weeks of full since I half-dosed for 5 days ???


ALSO.. I thought that Maracyn 1 and 2 works by reaching a certain level in the aquarium, if I do daily water changes without topping off with meds wouldnt it just dillute more and more each day???
 
I was also wondering if my angels (in the same tank) can withstand the long treatment?
 
I suspect since Tolak said to "med the full dose of both daily" and also advised the 50% daily water change meaning that it would be ok to dose the tank (with the tank amount) right after the water change. Obviously this theoretically means a buildup of the meds, since there are still meds from the 50% not taken out and you are dosing for the full tank, but the other part of the equation is whether the med dose becomes "used up" daily, which would remove the build-up worry. I don't want to speak for Tolak as I don't know which he meant but if I had to guess it would be that the meds react with things and get "used up" more or less on a daily basis.

WD
 
But on the box it says, (When used at the recommended dosage this maintains a therapeutic level of the drug within the aquarium.) Which makes me think that you have to build up a certan amount of meds in the tank for it to work properly..




No matter what I will go by Tolak's advice.
 
TOLAK you are awesome!!! I will totally go by your advice and will post back with results in about 10 - 14 days!!!
 
SORRY it took so long for me to get back... been busy.. EVERYTHING is GREAT... fully recovered and doing good... THANK YOU
 
:good: Glad it worked out.

In most cases antibiotics for fish work about the same as for humans, dogs, cats and so on. The manufacturer is hesitant to put the longer dosage as well as increased water changes in the instructions because most casual fishkeepers aren't willing to spend that sort of time or money on a few fish.

Their main goal is making a profit, which would not happen if the put the 10-14 days with 50%+ water changes daily as the instructions for their product. I don't think it's so much that they care about money more than fish as they prioritize having a roof over their head & food on the table over the ill fish. I'm sure in some cases the shorter medication duration does work, the chances of success greatly increase with the longer duration.
 
Tolak, do you think the drug reacts with things and gets used up in the 24 hours before the next dose or do you think it gradually builds to a higher tank concentration over the 10-14 days? And what symptoms do you associate using this treatment with?

WD
 
Many drugs deteriorate over a given amount of time, the substances they deteriorate into with aquatic medications are harmless to fish, if not they would be useless for medicating fish. This is very similar to the half-life of drugs taken orally by humans or other mammals. As with the half-life of drugs, this rate of deterioration depends on the specific drug. Some drugs, such as Gentamycin, deteriorate very slowly, and require one dose, with no water changes at all. Others, such as Metronidazole, deteriorate quickly, and can be redosed every 8 hours.

Maracyn, which is Erythromycin, is a good medication for most gram-positive diseases, fin rot, popeye and such. Maracyn II, which contains Minocycline, a synthetic form of Tetracycline, targets gram-negative bacteria, septicemia, dropsy & such.

There two products are the most readily available antibiotics to people in the US, any decent shop carries them. They are the best starting point with most bacterial diseases, which for a definite identification would require dissection, and staining slides. This obviously is not an option for the hobbyist, but is what large hatcheries do when there is a problem. Seeing as we usually don’t want to sacrifice the fish here it is a sort of shotgun approach, but one that is effective, and with the longer term treatment nearly eliminates the chance of creating a drug resistant strain.
 

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