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Paradise3

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So this has just started on a friend of mines profile on FB... This is the exact conversation just edited names out and the whole "Like" and "3 minutes ago" and stuff from underneath each comment.

Them: "Setup a small fish tank today, been toying with the idea for ages, this is how it started last time haha!"

Me: "What you plan to have in it?"

Them: "Just a couple of fancy goldfish."

Me: "Erm... How big is the tank?"

Me: "Is it the Aquastart 320? If so it's only 28L so not really big enough for even 1 fancy goldfish..."

Them: "I'm more than aware of that, these are a couple of small ones that are unwanted if they out grow it I can more than justify a bigger tank"

Me: "I was just mentioning since minimum tank size for 1 fancy goldfish is 20-30 gallons and an extra 10 gallons per extra fancy goldfish. so for 3 fancy goldfish you'd need a 50 Gallon tank at minimum"

Them: "Yup, TBH I've never really followed those sort of recommendations as they don't really consider filtration used etc... But thank you, the last time I ran a Coldwater tank it was a 5x2x2 450Litre"

Me: "Okey doke."

My Partner: "A 28L with a small internal filter is nowhere near big enough for one let alone 2! If it were a beardy being kept in an 18" and someone said "Oh it's alright I'll just keep it in there until it can barely turn round". It'd be a different story. Double standards......."

Them: "Like I said they are maybe an inch in size, as they get bigger they can go into a bigger tank."

Them: "That has never been an issue I once coverted a summerhouse into a room with a tropical pond before to accommodate some of the larger fish."

Me: "I think what my partner is trying to say is that it's better to put them straight into a tank that is suitable for them rather than in a tank too small and wait for them to start stunting which causes them constant pain as their body stops growing but their organs carry on... I can get some replies from an Aquatics community for you if you want but I do agree that it would be better to put them in a 30-40 gallon tank straight away and let them grow freely. It may look empty but it save money and it stops them having the chance to stunt.."

Them: "Trust me im more than aware, ive kept fish on and off all my life. They are NOT going to be stunted in a tank this size, thats not even how their anatomy works. Ive always found Fancy Goldfish to be incredibly slow growing unless you keep them warm which increases their metabolism."

Please someone give me some help on advising him...
 
Honestly? I wouldn't bother. 'They' sound like they think they know everything, and there are some people that just will not listen, whatever anyone says to the contrary
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Incidentally, there is no evidence that a fish's internal organs continue to grow when they're stunted, so I would use that argument in the future, if I were you.
 
Honestly? I wouldn't bother. 'They' sound like they think they know everything, and there are some people that just will not listen, whatever anyone says to the contrary
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Incidentally, there is no evidence that a fish's internal organs continue to grow when they're stunted, so I would use that argument in the future, if I were you.

OK, thank you. I gave up, they insist they will be fine for a few months in that tank as they grow very slowly.
I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that they had discovered that a fish's internal organs continue to grow when their body stops which is what causes them constant pain.. :/
 
It's depressing having to deal with people like that; I know the feeling only too well, so you have my sympathies!

It's an often repeated 'fact' that the fish's organs continue to grow, but I've never found any proper, scientifically sound evidence for it.

Not that that makes stunting in any way less objectionable, of course; it certainly causes, in most cases, deformities and a significantly shortened lifespan for the fish involved.
 
It's depressing having to deal with people like that; I know the feeling only too well, so you have my sympathies!

It's an often repeated 'fact' that the fish's organs continue to grow, but I've never found any proper, scientifically sound evidence for it.

Not that that makes stunting in any way less objectionable, of course; it certainly causes, in most cases, deformities and a significantly shortened lifespan for the fish involved.

Maybe that's what I've read then, ah well. It didn't help anyway but I was certain I'd read a scientific paper on it. Must have just been mistaken :lol:
 

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