Omg This Plague Won't End!

[raggy]

Hey so I messed up with not knowing to cycle a tank (10 gal) and to let my new fish (tetras) sit before I added everything in the tank.
 
I had a betta in there as well.
 
Because I didnt cycle it there was high ammonia, and also the tetras were carrying ich apparently.  So all the tetras and betta had ich.  I took the betta and put him in a 2.5 gal.  I treated the 10 gal with tetras with salt heat method.  Killed the ich in like 3 days, no sign of ich.  but now their fins are rotting . . . Their fins are disappearing.  My betta, I treated it with "jungle" ich treatment, which i must say absolutely sucks. He still has ich and now his fins have holes in his tail and he has some white cloudy thing on his back.  I never have gotten a sick betta under 2 months, this is ridiculous!!
 
SO all in all I think my tetras have fin rot, adn now my betta not only has ich but also has fin rot!! WTF!!!!??

 

[fluttermoth]

I'm afraid these sorts of issues are very common in fish that have been exposed to high levels of ammonia and/or nitrite; they weaken the fish and leave it open to catching infections that a healthy fish would be able to shake off
 
All you can really do is keep treating and keep the water pristine and hope they pull through.
 
On the 'Jungle ich treatment'; it's not that it's rubbish; there are lot of medication resistant strains of ich around, you've just been unfortunate to get one that is resistant to the med you've used, it could work perfectly for someone else.

 

[tha pint]

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[raggy]

I'm afraid these sorts of issues are very common in fish that have been exposed to high levels of ammonia and/or nitrite; they weaken the fish and leave it open to catching infections that a healthy fish would be able to shake off

 
All you can really do is keep treating and keep the water pristine and hope they pull through.
 
On the 'Jungle ich treatment'; it's not that it's rubbish; there are lot of medication resistant strains of ich around, you've just been unfortunate to get one that is resistant to the med you've used, it could work perfectly for someone else.
 
There is no amonia in my bettas fish tank!! there is 0 amonia!  

 

[Blondielovesfish]

Even if there isn't any ammonia of nitrite, water changes will help. Just make sure to use a dechlorinater and try to match the temperature. 
I'd recommend that you perform daily water changes of at least 50% as that should (hopefully) help it heal and prevent infection.

 

[raggy]

Even if there isn't any ammonia of nitrite, water changes will help. Just make sure to use a dechlorinater and try to match the temperature. 
I'd recommend that you perform daily water changes of at least 50% as that should (hopefully) help it heal and prevent infection.

 
guys i have been!! i have been changing the water daily at 50%. I was using medicine on the betta and its been 3-4 days and nothing has happened, he always has a spot or two on him.  Now he was three tiny holes on his tail.  

 

[Blondielovesfish]

Okay, I didn't know if you were or not...
Are you replacing the medication every time you do a water change?
If you turned up his temperature to about 29 degrees Celsius and added some salt you might get rid of it. I'm not quite sure of the dosing so someone else will have to advise on that.

 

[raggy]

Okay, I didn't know if you were or not...
Are you replacing the medication every time you do a water change?
If you turned up his temperature to about 29 degrees Celsius and added some salt you might get rid of it. I'm not quite sure of the dosing so someone else will have to advise on that.

yes I have been doing the medication for the betta.  I'm about to just do salt, could I maybe overdose the betta?  I use the medication according to directions.  Salt and temp in my 10 gal worked all under a week.  but the tetras are now having problems with fin rot.  I don't belive that my betta caught it thru poor water. THe water was from bottles spring water, no ammonia.  Could it be from the tetras when I bought them?  did they carry both ich and fin rot?  Could over doesing cause fin rot?  I dont get it!  Will salt get rid of fin rot too?

 

[Blondielovesfish]

The best cure for fin rot IMO is great water condition. Which involves doing daily water changes of at least 50% until the fin rot is healed and for another week after that. There is medication out there but I prefer the natural way...its cheaper to and less stressful.
As far as I know, salt won't heal fin rot.
 
I wouldn't recommend over dosing. 
 
Fin rot comes from poor water quality and as far as I know is not contagious. The fish excrete and breathe out ammonia which, if the tank is not cycled,will build up, thus creating bad water quality. 
You may have already said this (and I apologize if you have) but is the tank cycled and what are all the readings?
 
Don't mix medications with salt. I recommend that you change 100% of the water before adding salt and then change 100% of the water when before adding medication.

 

[raggy]

omg i poured new water in the tank durring the water change and it tore his tail. .  . there's pieces of his fin floating :'c this is terrible!

 

[Blondielovesfish]

Thats horrible
To prevent it happening again, maybe pour the water in slower or use something to interfere with the water flow (a plate is good for this).