New Tank Advice... Pls

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Hey guys

Its been sometime ....
well let me get to the point.

Im planning on getting a new tank.
At the moment i Own a 80cm length Tank. Im finding it small and hard to grow plants.
I am now looking into a 100cm tank. with alot of depth. i will measure n put it up here.

Can anyone give me advice ... on a JEBO tank or a SUNSUN tank? have u guys heard of it ?

The Jebo comes with a internal Unseen filter on the top of the tank with T8 light (2)
The SunSun comes with a internal Unseen filter and T5 tube lights. (3)

What do you guys suggest. I am getting it at a good price so plan on taking any one of these brands. The glass looks great on both. clear.

Suggestions Please !!!

thankyou
 
I'll let others comment on the tanks as I'm not familiar with them although they sound good in your description.

In what regard are you having trouble raising plants in your current tank?

T8 and T5 are both fluorescent tubes, so you will have choices in spectrum depending on the what the inside glass is coated with. T5 narrower tubes are a newer type and generally the designs involve greater tubing length, which results in a lamp that is brighter for a given wattage. Since many rough guidelines for plant techniques can involve wattage, this is important to know.

Tank height interacts with plant care in two ways that I can think of: greater height makes it more and more difficult to deliver as many photons to plants that are farther and farther down at the substrate level. More of the light scatters to the sides or is absorbed by things on the way down. The efficiency of the reflector surrounding the bulb can be a factor. The other thing is the obvious ability to accomodate taller plants, which is great, but of course a taller tank also means less surface area which means the expectations about O2 and CO2 can be a little different.

With plants, light is a skill set, CO2 is a skill set, plant nutrition is a skill set and algae is a skill set that relies on some mastery of the previous 3 skill sets.

~~waterdrop~~
 
From where I sit in the US, I have no idea about the specifics of those tanks. If you are having trouble with a 80cm tank, getting a larger tank will mean you need more light, not less for it. Since light is one of the main limiting factors for growing plants, a new larger tank may just make the attempt more difficult. Have you looked into improving the lighting in the present tank? It would probably give better results and end up costing much less than simply buying a larger tank.
 
Thankyou for the replys

@waterdrop -

In my current tank, i believe its the lighting that is the main problem. I use just one T8 Triton Tube, at the size of the tank. Its been more than 6yrs me using that very same Tube light and it hasnt died yet. Its just recently tht i have started to grow plants.
in my current tank i at the moment use Floradepot Substrate mixed with normal stones, a DIY CO2 bttle with a internal Interpret Co2 Difuser.
I will post pics of my tank at the moment. I also recently had a bad Algae growth within a month, as i put my Heater off. i then put it on again and the algae has stopped luckily.

I have just found a little bigger tank than the 100cm. its 120cm in length. So i guess i should go with tht. What do you reccomend me to get for my next set up ? substrate ? lights ?
The new Tank comes with Inbuilt Light Tubes, i can change them to any tubes i want at any time.

@oldman47 -

The reason of a new tank is just moving on to a bigger better setup. and Most of all doing it right this time around. The new tanks like the Jebo and the SunSun tanks have a internal filter situated on the top of the tank conceiled in the Cover. Also the lights will come with the tank. the tank at present is a Old style tank with a box like area kept for lights. The lights are not directly set Above the tank or under the Lid cover but rather on the rear of the tank. So i guess in a way the light is not Spread out well either.
Iv been looking for a nice size tank with proper lighting.

Do give me your advice ...

thankyou guys...
wil wait on your suggestions for my new tank, and would also appreciate it if you guys got any info on the two tanks i specified.
 
OK, this one will take quite a lot of commenting and I'll have to set it aside until I have more time. I think we, as members, should go over a number of the basics of the plant skills, if any of you other members have a chance in the meantime.

I also shall be quite interested to see or hear about a light coming from the rear. I'm not picturing it well and usually I find I've been around a long enough time to remember most of the older style setups, so this interests me... :lol:

~~waterdrop~~
 
6 years is a long time to have a bulb. I believe that most bulbs must be replaced at least yearly to grow plants as the longer that it is burning the spectrum and intensity changes. This may not be apparent to our eyes, but to plants this can be a big thing.
 
6 years is a long time to have a bulb. I believe that most bulbs must be replaced at least yearly to grow plants as the longer that it is burning the spectrum and intensity changes. This may not be apparent to our eyes, but to plants this can be a big thing.

and that must be the reason why whatever plants i put in isnt growing.

I will post pics of this tank i have and where the tube goes into.
 
Yes, many of our plant guides recommend replacing the fluorescent tube annually despite it still working fine, because of the loss of light output. However, I remember reading a thread a while back that basically said the latest thinking is that this doesn't matter, so I've sort of dropped it as an important thing to do, still, 6 years is a long time and maybe its going to help in your case.

I'm going to yak a little about plant learning for beginners. Everything I say may be a little out of date or off compared to the great advice from our pros over in the planted section so please take it in that beginner spirit and listen to them if they tell it a different way. I'm a mere dabbler and beginner in plants compared to them. (I'm not even sure you have any need for plant raising info but it seemed possible..)

I think of plants as a little harder to learn than fishkeeping basics. I break down the learning as follows: light is a skill set, CO2 is a skill set, plant nutrition is a skill set and algae is a 4th skill set that depends somewhat on you knowing the first three.

~~waterdrop~~
 
thanks waterdrop.

Im trying to get all those steps , but i think its my lighting tht is the prob.
Have you used a tube called Triton ? guess i have to buy another one.

How do i get Plant Nutrition ? The liquids u mean ?
 
OK, let's talk about lighting a bit. Again, in an attempt to just relay some basic things I'll no doubt be passing along things that are not the latest ways the planted hobbyists would approach them but I hope some of the information may be better than not knowing of it.

Obviously, plants must have light to perform photosynthesis and grow and be healthy. Light is extremely important to the balance of an aquarium. Light is the engine that powers how fast the whole plant system is working - if the light is bright then the plant "revs up" and in doing so, consumes a lot of other resources like carbon, nitrogen, phosphorus, potassium and many other things. If the light is lower the plant is not consuming so much and if the light is out then the plant may consume some of the things it would normally produce! So light is a big "control" factor in a tank with plants.

Planted tank hobbyists have historically ended up with a number of interesting "approaches" or "methods" of running a tank and achieving a type of look. I'm only going to describe two (very simplistic) of these. The first is called "high-tech" and the second is called "low-light" and these are just names that have happened to stick but are referring to ways of doing things.

The traditional dividing line between "high-tech" and "low-light" is at about 2 watts per US gallon. So, for example, if you shine 30 watts down on a 10 gallon tank, you are at 3 w/g and doing high-tech, whereas if you shine 10 watts over the 10 gallon you are at 1 w/g and dong "low-light" technique. The fact that "watts" are used in this simple old guideline means that only light bulbs of a particular efficiency were under consideration and if one uses more efficient bulbs then the guideline really needs to change. The guideline was envisioned with fluorescent bulbs of 1-inch diameter (T8 bulbs) in mind, among others. Often, newer bulbs such as T5 bulbs, are sold in configurations that give off more light for a similar wattage.

The difference between high-tech and low-light (lets call them HT and LL) is a big deal when you are running an aquarium with plants. As you get in to the HT range and push your plants with more light, they need more plant nutrients (plants use 17 elements as nutrients) and one of them, carbon, can be very difficult for you to provide and them to get! Carbon is provided by CO2 and submerged plants are at a huge disadvantage compared to emergent or terrestrial plants because CO2 is available in water in only a tiny fraction of its availability in air. In other words, plants on land can get lots of CO2 quite easily, but plants underwater get hardly any. This is why you may have heard of fancy planted aquariums having big CO2 tanks as part of their equipment.

If you stay down in the LL range under 2 w/g then you can use plants that are used to growing in low-light situations and have them stay healthy even though you have less light and no extra CO2 provided. This LL technique is very popular with lower-cost and beginner freshwater aquariums, whereas the high-tech technique with bright lights and extra CO2 equipment is very popular for beautiful but expensive planted-tank setups. Another popular thing that has happened for LL technique is that new chemicals have been developed that allow LL hobbyists to help out their carbon situation by dosing "liquid carbon" products directly in to the tank, rather than via the (better) CO2 apparatus.

And its not just carbon, although that is the hardest, there are lots of the other 16 elements that the plants need that the aquarist has to attend to by providing "fertilizers" of sorts and not letting them become too concentrated in the tank.

I'm sorry that was so long. Its just a few first comments about the "lighting skillset" I talked about in a previous post.

~~waterdrop~~
 
Why not complicate things even further WD? High and low light is not the real determiner of the approach used. Many people using high light do indeed run a high tech tank but I run high light in a low tech NPT instead. The real differentiation is that higher light allows a broader choice of plants and may lead to more plant growth if the plants receive adequate other inputs like fertilizer or carbon. In the approach that I use, the carbon comes from decomposing potting soil where the plants roots are anchored and the fertilizer function is served by an occasional water change and the decay of fish foods and fish waste. The actual advice of people who are into the NPT thing as much as high tech people get into their area is to run over 2 WPG for at least 12 hours a day on an NPT. I have not chosen to go that far but I do run 2.5 WPG on a low tech NPT. The results have been good so I am wont to change it.
 
OK, I brough it on myself :lol: , next thing we'll both be spilling every tidbit of plant trivia we know. You'll be having me run over to Diana's house with questions, lol. I should never have gone on with all that stuff. We really need more input from the OP I think. WD
 

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