Most resilient of my proposed stock?

Bruce Leyland-Jones

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I'm still at least a week off yet, but I think I might've decided upon my species for my South American-themed tank.
I used the AqAdvisor stocking tool and have selected the following;
Black Neon Tetra
Cardinal Tetra
Golden Pencilfish
Golden Ram
Pygmy Cory

I've had all of these species previously in a community tank and all did well, but I forget one important detail...

Assuming my water parameters are correct, which of these would you say are the hardiest/most resilient?
In other words, when I begin to slowly stock the tank, which species should I add first...and which one the last?

Thanks in advance.
 
Before answering that question, there is an issue with the proposed species involving temperature. The Golden Ram needs warmth, much higher than the pygmy cories can handle long-term. Mikrogeophagus ramirezi is the natural species of all the blue or common ram varieties, and it needs a temperature of no less than 27C/80F but in the range of 28-30C/82-86F is really needed in order for its metabolism to function properly.

Corydoras pygmaeus have a range of 22-26C/71-79F which means they are best in the mid-range. Their metabolism will literally burn out at permanent higher temperatures. And before it may be asked, there are no Corydoras species that can tolerate the optimum Ram temperature long-term.

Assuming the Golden Pencilfish to be Nannostomus beckfordi, this fish also has a temperature range the same as the Corydoras. And Hyphessobrycon herbertaxelrodi would be above its optimum range at the Ram's temperature.

A couple degrees in temperature may seem trivial, but to the fish which are ectothermic this will mean life or death. The physiology of fish is such that each species has evolved to function best within a fairly narrow temperature range, and the further outside their range they are, the more difficult becomes their ability to carry out the essential life processes.
 
Before answering that question, there is an issue with the proposed species involving temperature. The Golden Ram needs warmth, much higher than the pygmy cories can handle long-term. Mikrogeophagus ramirezi is the natural species of all the blue or common ram varieties, and it needs a temperature of no less than 27C/80F but in the range of 28-30C/82-86F is really needed in order for its metabolism to function properly.

Corydoras pygmaeus have a range of 22-26C/71-79F which means they are best in the mid-range. Their metabolism will literally burn out at permanent higher temperatures. And before it may be asked, there are no Corydoras species that can tolerate the optimum Ram temperature long-term.

Assuming the Golden Pencilfish to be Nannostomus beckfordi, this fish also has a temperature range the same as the Corydoras. And Hyphessobrycon herbertaxelrodi would be above its optimum range at the Ram's temperature.

A couple degrees in temperature may seem trivial, but to the fish which are ectothermic this will mean life or death. The physiology of fish is such that each species has evolved to function best within a fairly narrow temperature range, and the further outside their range they are, the more difficult becomes their ability to carry out the essential life processes.
I appreciate the input and, as I said, I did have a community tank with all the species mentioned in it, including a pair of rams, (that bred), a shoal of 7 pencils and similar number of Pygmy Cory.
(In the same happy tank were several Julii Cory and Hatchets.

That said, assuming I drop the temperature to 26, can you suggest a pair of South American 'centre-piece' fish, to replace the Rams and then perhaps answer my original question?
 
To replace the rams -
Apistogrammas
Nanacaras
Bolivian rams (If the tank is big enough, I've forgotten how big your tank is :blush: )



Remind us again, how are you preparing the tank, fishless cycle with ammonia or plant cycle?
 
To replace the rams -
Apistogrammas
Nanacaras
Bolivian rams (If the tank is big enough, I've forgotten how big your tank is :blush: )



Remind us again, how are you preparing the tank, fishless cycle with ammonia or plant cycle?
It's only a 20 (UK) Gallon tank.
I'm in the relatively early stages of a planted cycle.
I currently have a journal running in the Journal section.
 
I appreciate the input and, as I said, I did have a community tank with all the species mentioned in it, including a pair of rams, (that bred), a shoal of 7 pencils and similar number of Pygmy Cory.
(In the same happy tank were several Julii Cory and Hatchets.

I am not just belabouring this, there is an important aspect that should be considered but often is not understood--I just commented on this same issue in another thread. Fish have a strong will to survive whatever conditions they are forced into, when they cannot escape as they often would in their habitat. Swimming, feeding and spawning are not signs that all is well; survival is not thriving. The physiology of each fish species has evolved over thousands of years to function best in a very specific environment, which includes water parameters, habitat conditions, other species, numbers of their own, etc. These needs are part of the genetic makeup of a species. As I mentioned previously, temperature drives the fish's metabolism, and the further outside the species' preferences (which are their needs), the more difficult life becomes. I don't think we want that for our fish.
 
I am not just belabouring this, there is an important aspect that should be considered but often is not understood--I just commented on this same issue in another thread. Fish have a strong will to survive whatever conditions they are forced into, when they cannot escape as they often would in their habitat. Swimming, feeding and spawning are not signs that all is well; survival is not thriving. The physiology of each fish species has evolved over thousands of years to function best in a very specific environment, which includes water parameters, habitat conditions, other species, numbers of their own, etc. These needs are part of the genetic makeup of a species. As I mentioned previously, temperature drives the fish's metabolism, and the further outside the species' preferences (which are their needs), the more difficult life becomes. I don't think we want that for our fish.
This I understand, being a qualified biologist, to advanced degree standard, myself.
I'm also aware of the 'why' of expressing concern and would also add that, in the wild, with repeated rainfalls, inconsistent additions and removals of a wide variety of organic matter and other naturally occurring variables, the status of the natural environment is only relatively stable and is rarely static.
Those parameters you refer to were never static and experienced a bell-curve variation and I recall research demonstrating that the concept of 'specific' environments was an artificial one.
The life expectancy of our fish in the wild is rarely accurately measured, leaving only tank-held specimens to give us some clues as to their life-spans. Looking the records maintained by keen aquarists gives some potential life-spans, but again these are often subjective and scientific method, with adequate controls, can produce a range of life-spans for any one species of fish. Add that fish to a variety of community tank set-ups and there are then too many variables to properly compare and contrast.
All I know is that my fish lived at least 5 years in my care.
Obviously, a varying environment is infinitely harder to manage than a static one and sticking assorted fish in a confined glass box is far, far from the natural environment, no matter how well we manage water parameters, so a compromise is reached.

I never said that my fish merely survived and your implication that that was all they were doing is both unwarranted and unwelcome, given neither of us have the evidence of the tank before us. Again, I appreciate the 'why' of your comments and whilst I am more than capable of answering my own question, I was curious as to the thoughts of the aquarists in the Forum.
 

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