Is API Quick Start for real?

[Wolvesfan]

I'll never understand why people waste their $ on "bottled bacteria" or any other stuff that supposedly speeds up a fishless cycle

I've cycled 6 tanks using the fishless method with water conditioner and pure ammonia, only...no plants....elevated temp, and a bubbler.....and all 6 of those cycles completed in 3 weeks, or less

Patience is key in this hobby, and for me personally, 3 weeks is nothing...gave me time to scape and plant my tanks, and plan my stocking

This hobby is full of "gimmicky" products that do nothing but line the pockets of stores and manufacturers

I don't like wasting $ on things I don't need; Mrs. Slap does it enough for the both of us

I can’t speak for freshwater cycling with bacteria products because I haven’t done it yet (will be doing it soon). However I can say from personal experience that it works fantastically well with marine products. I have ‘instant cycled’ marine systems this way with zero fatalities and zero detectable ammonia or nitrite. I used a combination of products to try and get a range of relevant bacteria (Fritzyme 9 and Dr Tim’s).
I am going to give it a go with my new freshwater system using Tetra Safe Start and another product I can’t remember the name of! I hope it goes as well as my marine experiences

 

[MammaBearinTN]

So far, so good over hear. I used API Quickstart followed by Fritzyme a few days later, and so far my fish are doing well, and my readings are excellent.

 

[GaryE]

I like the follow up here. The only way we find out is if people actually test these things, but the tests mean nothing if they don't share results.

 

[TwoTankAmin]

Pretty much the only post in this thread that had the actual science behind the cycle was made by Byron. Everything else anecdotal.

I know Dr. Tom's works as I have used it over the years either to help cycle a single tank fast or to act as a jumpt statert for my Bio-farm when I need to get multiple fully cycled tanks that can handle heavy stocking immediately and which do not have live plants involved.

The other thing is the nitrite bacteria (nitrospira) are controlled by a patent which is held jointly by Dr. Hovanec and Tetra (via Marineland). Nobody vwasides those two outfits can put nitrospira into a starter product.

Even more interesting was the discovery a number of years back that Notrospora are also able to process ammonia straight to nirrate as well as oxidizing nitrite to nitrate.

Hovanec, T.A. and DeLong, E.F., 1996. Comparative analysis of nitrifying bacteria associated with freshwater and marine aquaria. Applied and environmental microbiology, 62(8), pp.2888-2896.

Abstract​

Three nucleic acid probes, two for autotrophic ammonia-oxidizing bacteria of the beta subdivision of the class Proteobacteria and one for alpha subdivision nitrite-oxidizing bacteria, were developed and used to study nitrifying bacterial phylotypes associated with various freshwater and seawater aquarium biofilters. Nitrosomonas europaea and related species were detected in all nitrifying seawater systems and accounted for as much as 20% of the total eubacterial rRNA. In contrast, nitrifying bacteria belonging to the beta-proteobacterial subdivision were detected in only two samples from freshwater aquaria showing vigorous nitrification rates. rRNA originating from nitrite-oxidizing alpha subdivision proteobacteria was not detected in samples from either aquarium environment. The data obtained indicate that chemolithotrophic ammonia oxidation in the freshwater aquaria was not due to beta-proteobacterial phylotypes related to members of the genus Nitrosomonas and their close relatives, the organisms usually implicated in freshwater nitrification. It is likely that nitrification in natural environments is even more complex than nitrification in these simple systems and is less well characterized with regard to the microorganisms responsible.

full paper https://journals.asm.org/doi/reader/10.1128/aem.62.8.2888-2896.1996


Hovanec, T.A., Taylor, L.T., Blakis, A. and Delong, E.F., 1998. Nitrospira-like bacteria associated with nitrite oxidation in freshwater aquaria. Applied and environmental microbiology, 64(1), pp.258-264.

ABSTRACT​

Oxidation of nitrite to nitrate in aquaria is typically attributed to bacteria belonging to the genus Nitrobacter which are members of the α subdivision of the class Proteobacteria. In order to identify bacteria responsible for nitrite oxidation in aquaria, clone libraries of rRNA genes were developed from biofilms of several freshwater aquaria. Analysis of the rDNA libraries, along with results from denaturing gradient gel electrophoresis (DGGE) on frequently sampled biofilms, indicated the presence of putative nitrite-oxidizing bacteria closely related to other members of the genus Nitrospira. Nucleic acid hybridization experiments with rRNA from biofilms of freshwater aquaria demonstrated thatNitrospira-like rRNA comprised nearly 5% of the rRNA extracted from the biofilms during the establishment of nitrification. Nitrite-oxidizing bacteria belonging to the α subdivision of the class Proteobacteria (e.g., Nitrobacter spp.) were not detected in these samples. Aquaria which received a commercial preparation containing Nitrobacter species did not show evidence of Nitrobacter growth and development but did develop substantial populations of Nitrospira-like species. Time series analysis of rDNA phylotypes on aquaria biofilms by DGGE, combined with nitrite and nitrate analysis, showed a correspondence between the appearance of Nitrospira-like bacterial ribosomal DNA and the initiation of nitrite oxidation. In total, the data suggest that Nitrobacter winogradskyi and close relatives were not the dominant nitrite-oxidizing bacteria in freshwater aquaria. Instead, nitrite oxidation in freshwater aquaria appeared to be mediated by bacteria closely related to Nitrospira moscoviensis and Nitrospira marina.

full paperhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC124703/


Burrell, P.C., Phalen, C.M. and Hovanec, T.A., 2001. Identification of bacteria responsible for ammonia oxidation in freshwater aquaria. Applied and Environmental Microbiology, 67(12), pp.5791-5800.

ABSTRACT​

Culture enrichments and culture-independent molecular methods were employed to identify and confirm the presence of novel ammonia-oxidizing bacteria (AOB) in nitrifying freshwater aquaria. Reactors were seeded with biomass from freshwater nitrifying systems and enriched for AOB under various conditions of ammonia concentration. Surveys of cloned rRNA genes from the enrichments revealed four major strains of AOB which were phylogenetically related to theNitrosomonas marina cluster, theNitrosospira cluster, or the Nitrosomonas europaea-Nitrosococcus mobilis cluster of the β subdivision of the class Proteobacteria. Ammonia concentration in the reactors determined which AOB strain dominated in an enrichment. Oligonucleotide probes and PCR primer sets specific for the four AOB strains were developed and used to confirm the presence of the AOB strains in the enrichments. Enrichments of the AOB strains were added to newly established aquaria to determine their ability to accelerate the establishment of ammonia oxidation. Enrichments containing the Nitrosomonas marina-like AOB strain were most efficient at accelerating ammonia oxidation in newly established aquaria. Furthermore, if the Nitrosomonas marina-like AOB strain was present in the original enrichment, even one with other AOB, only the Nitrosomonas marina-like AOB strain was present in aquaria after nitrification was established.Nitrosomonas marina-like AOB were 2% or less of the cells detected by fluorescence in situ hybridization analysis in aquaria in which nitrification was well established.

full paper https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC93373/

My conclusion as to why the ammonia bacteria were such a small portion (2% or less) of the total bacteria is because of the discovery that the Nitrospira can also process ammonia straight to nitrate. That means fewer ammonia bacteria are needed for this.

Now to really make this interesting. Some years ago it was discovered another type of microorganism could convert ammonia to nitrite and that it was ubiquitous, especially in the ocean. "Archaea is a domain of single-celled organisms. These microorganisms lack cell nuclei and are therefore prokaryotes. Archaea were initially classified as bacteria, receiving the name archaebacteria, but this term has fallen out of use." Some argue that it is archaea not bacteria that do most of the ammonia oxidation in tanks.