Help My Angel!

[lolly292]

Hi,

I need URGENT help.
A few weeks ago I noticed my angel had a little white looking thing on her face. It was like a cotton wool kind of spot but the next day it was gone. I did a water change to try and lower my nitrates and clear up anything that could have been causing the spot. I say spot because thats the only way I can explain.
Anyways, on sunday, (2 days ago) I did a huge water change. My angel had bread some babies but unfortunatly they went missing so I thought that this is the best time to do a big clear out. I cleaned my external filter, put a new sponge in my internal filter so basically, my water should be really good.
on sunday night I noticed the white cotton wool spot come up again. This time it was right behind her eye.
I got her out of the tank and put her in the hospital tank with some esha 2000. It looks like it has got bigger, more of a brek in her skin now.
I can attach some photos later but has anyone got any ideas as to what im dealing with? I mean now it looks like an ulcer or what id call an ulcer but im not too sure.

please please please please please help. I LOVE THIS FISH!

 

[garyspence84]

Sounds like some kind of fungal infection to me but cant be sure without seeing the fish.

G

 

[KittyKat]

Please fill in this form as it is in the link: http/www.fishforums.net/index.php?/topic/2330-please-read-before-posting-to-emergency-section/

It does sound like a fungal infection, but we need more details to know what is causing it.

 

[lolly292]

Thanks for replying, i will add some pictures when i get home tonight.

Sounds like some kind of fungal infection to me but cant be sure without seeing the fish.

G

 

[lolly292]

I will post my exact readings later.
I can tell you now though that i have no trouble with anything but the NO3 test comes up at like 20?? i dont think thats too hgih
My NO2 test water comes out clear in the test tube so that means good water right??
Do you think the ESHA 2000 will work? i was told that this is the better medication to use?

Laura

Please fill in this form as it is in the link: http/www.fishforums.net/index.php?/topic/2330-please-read-before-posting-to-emergency-section/

It does sound like a fungal infection, but we need more details to know what is causing it.

 

[KittyKat]

I will post my exact readings later.

Eagerly awaiting

I can tell you now though that i have no trouble with anything but the NO3 test comes up at like 20?? i dont think thats too hgih

I consider that anything under 25 ppm nitrate is fine for all fish that I have ever come across.

My NO2 test water comes out clear in the test tube so that means good water right??

It depends on your test kit, what does the comparison colour swatch say? My nitrite kit is blue for 0 ppm. By the way, are you using a liquid kit?

Do you think the ESHA 2000 will work? i was told that this is the better medication to use?

Very likely, it is the only medication that I use nowadays and it works very well against most diseases. Unfortunately, it will not fix the cause of the problem, only the symptoms (in this case, the fungus), which is why we need all the other information.

 

[lolly292]

The kit i use is Hagen Mini Master Test Kit which yes is a liquid test.
Um with the NO3 you do have a slight colour even for the lowest readings.I dont think that my readings seem bad to be honest.
As soon as i get in i will post a load of pictures trying to show you everything.I have a 250L tank with internal and external filters.
I have plants in my tank too and all of them are alive.

I will keep putting the esha in and fingers crossed they survive.

Something has happened to my tank and i just dont know what.
I have 3 fish in my hospital tank at the moment but they all have differenty things happeneing to them.

I have blue ram which got some kind of thing on its tail fin.
Its like a white mark but not a spot, more like the fin is damaged.


I have a cory too and thats got like a white film over it.

I did another water change last night because thats the only thing i can think of doing to my main tank if there is something bad going on with it.

Sorry if iv got problem after problem =]

I will post my exact readings later.

Eagerly awaiting

I can tell you now though that i have no trouble with anything but the NO3 test comes up at like 20?? i dont think thats too hgih

I consider that anything under 25 ppm nitrate is fine for all fish that I have ever come across.

My NO2 test water comes out clear in the test tube so that means good water right??

It depends on your test kit, what does the comparison colour swatch say? My nitrite kit is blue for 0 ppm. By the way, are you using a liquid kit?

Do you think the ESHA 2000 will work? i was told that this is the better medication to use?

Very likely, it is the only medication that I use nowadays and it works very well against most diseases. Unfortunately, it will not fix the cause of the problem, only the symptoms (in this case, the fungus), which is why we need all the other information.

 

[lolly292]

PH - 7.5
NO2 - 0 - as usual
Ammonia - 0 - as usual
NO3 - 5 - lowered through water changes

i have attached the pictures i took of my angel and others.
mthe blue ram looks close to death but the cory dont look too bad anymore.


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hopefully the pictures are good enough.
i cant seem to get my head around what went wrong with the tank to be honest.
hopefully you can shed some light

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sorry it didnt work last time

 

[KittyKat]

Any chance you could upload larger versions of those photos? It does look like the angel has some sort of fungus, but it's difficult to tell anything about the rest.

It would be really helpful if you could answer the rest of the points in the link I gave earlier, like whether you added any new fish recently, listing your full stocking, maintenance schedule, etc.

 

[lolly292]

1. Water parameters. (ammonia, nitrate, nitrite, PH, temp', Hardness etc)
shown above
2. A full description of the fishes symptoms.
Think its an ulcer but it started off with a cotton wool kind of spot.
After taking the fish into the hospuital tank, spot seems to have kind of expolded and turned into an ulcer.

3. How often you do water changes and how much.
I try to do a 30-40% water change every couple of weeks.
recently have done a few more little ones to get rid of anything harming fish to stop the spread.

4. Any chemicals and treatments you add to the water.
While in the hospital tank i have added in ESHA 2000.
I recently hada a new filter in the hospital tank and forgot to remove the carbon for the 1st couple of days of treating.
It says on the ESHA 2000 box that for a very ill fish, double the 3rd day dosage so i gave an extra few drops of medication to try and save her.

5. What tank mates are in the tank.
2 angels
10 neon tetras
2 mollys
2 cory
6/7 Kribensis (they had babies so not sure how many as they are impossible to catch)

6. Tank size.
250 L

7. Finally Have you recently added any new fish?
Nope


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Tank size:250L
pH:7.5
ammonia:0
nitrite:0
nitrate:5

Fish Symptoms (include full description including lesion, color, location, fish behavior):
Fish still eating, fish have been breading but last babies went on thursday.
Last night the ulcer seemed to get a little red around the edge where some of the white stuff had gone.
I did the higher dosage of medication and this morning the white stuff had gone back on the ulcer so was less red.
Think when a fish had a ulcer before (it scraped on a piece of slate but eventually died) the pet store said this white stuff was good. i imagine its like a scab but tell me if im wrong.


Recent additions to your tank (living or decoration):
Amazon swords

Digital photo (include if possible):
The pictures i added are the only ones i can get.
I can maybe email you them??
it took me about an hour to be able to work out how to put these ones up.

Thanks for your help.

 

[KittyKat]

Your water readings are fine. What are the dimensions of the tank? (Length, height, width…)

I suspect that the cause is fighting between the angels (unless they are a pair) and the Kribs harassing the angels. Depending on which of the two groups is the culprit, you *may* be able to do something about it. For example, it is best to keep angels in groups of 6+ to spread aggression (unless they are a mated pair, in which case two on their own is fine), or it is also possible to keep them individually (although this option is not the best for the fish). On the other hand, there is not much one can do about aggressive Kribs short of not mixing them with other cichlids and keeping them in larger tanks. If the blue ram is out of the same tank, his problem is almost definitely caused by Kribs stressing him out.

A short term compromise may be to add more hiding places and plants, but it is unlikely to work as a long term solution.

I do recommend that you get those Corys into a group of at least 6 and ideally 10-15+ in the long term as they are schooling fish, and the neons would benefit from a few more friends too… just be careful as neons are dinner for fully grown angels.

 

[lolly292]

Yeah the angels are a pair.
The neons did have more but were dinner for other fish, the ones iv got in there now iv had for a while.

with regards to treating my fish, what do you suggest?
I called the pet shop yesterday and he said to start using internal bacteria medication but i was told before that the ESHA 2000 is the best thing to use?
I really want to treat with the right stuff because i dont want her to die.

Thanks for your help,
Laura

Your water readings are fine. What are the dimensions of the tank? (Length, height, width…)

I suspect that the cause is fighting between the angels (unless they are a pair) and the Kribs harassing the angels. Depending on which of the two groups is the culprit, you *may* be able to do something about it. For example, it is best to keep angels in groups of 6+ to spread aggression (unless they are a mated pair, in which case two on their own is fine), or it is also possible to keep them individually (although this option is not the best for the fish). On the other hand, there is not much one can do about aggressive Kribs short of not mixing them with other cichlids and keeping them in larger tanks. If the blue ram is out of the same tank, his problem is almost definitely caused by Kribs stressing him out.

A short term compromise may be to add more hiding places and plants, but it is unlikely to work as a long term solution.

I do recommend that you get those Corys into a group of at least 6 and ideally 10-15+ in the long term as they are schooling fish, and the neons would benefit from a few more friends too… just be careful as neons are dinner for fully grown angels.

 

[KittyKat]

Yeah the angels are a pair.

In that case, my vote goes to Kribs being the culprits and picking on the angels.

with regards to treating my fish, what do you suggest?
I called the pet shop yesterday and he said to start using internal bacteria medication but i was told before that the ESHA 2000 is the best thing to use?

I would continue with eSHa 2000 until it is healed over. I really cannot see how fungus could be caused by internal bacteria and it does not sound like head in the hole (which is relatively unusual and manifests as holes in the head of the fish, not fungus).

 

[Zikofski]

when you treat the fish make sure you take any carbon media out of the filter, be it carbon bags or a pad that will strip the medication out from the water other than that i can't help to much, everything looks okay in my eyes just like someone said fighting and its come infected or maybe something has got into the tank not sure, gd luck and i hope they survive

 

[lolly292]

Thanks everyone so much!
As the pair have been breading recently, im guessing maybe thats why it could have started.
I know one of my fish before had hole in head and it wernt like this.
I will definatly keep you all informed.

Might sound bad but the one i really want to survive is my angel so will definatly keep you informed.
(not like i dont like te others)

Laura