Fluval Edge & Ebi

[MagicManPA]

I'm looking at getting one of these. Wondering what kinds of fish & live plants I can safely keep in them without a heater. Not looking to do goldfish or betta.

Also, anyone know who has the best price on the EBI?

Finally, if you have 1 & are not using the filter material it came with, what do you use?

 

[KittyKat]

Goldfish grow to 12+ inches if looked after properly: not an option.

Bettas require good access to air as they breathe it as we do using their labyrinth organ, also they are tropical so require a heater: not an option.

The best option for someone in US would be Elassoma evergladei.

The only option for someone in Europe would be to get a heater and keep some shrimp.. maybe 6 ember tetras as well.. there are no coldwater options over here really.

As for the filter, hang-on-the-back helps get air into the water, otherwise you would be risking oxygen starvation or CO[sub]2[/sub] poisoning.. it would be possible to use another type of filter, but very difficult.

 

[alysonpeaches]

Get a decent sized tank instead, you can get one for the same price and your fishes will be happier. The Juwel Rekord range are decent starter tanks. Sometimes little tanks can be hard to maintain and can be more work than a larger one.

You might be better approaching this from a different angle. Ask yourself, which type of fish would I like to keep? Then find out the conditions you need to keep them in. Have a browse at other peoples tanks on here and ask lots of questions. The first tank I bought was too small, but a week later I got a free 96 litre one on gumtree and found that a good size to start with.

http/www.juwel-aquarium.de/en/rekord.htm

 

[MagicManPA]

Goldfish grow to 12+ inches if looked after properly: not an option.

Bettas require good access to air as they breathe it as we do using their labyrinth organ, also they are tropical so require a heater: not an option.

The best option for someone in US would be Elassoma evergladei.

The only option for someone in Europe would be to get a heater and keep some shrimp.. maybe 6 ember tetras as well.. there are no coldwater options over here really.

As for the filter, hang-on-the-back helps get air into the water, otherwise you would be risking oxygen starvation or CO[sub]2[/sub] poisoning.. it would be possible to use another type of filter, but very difficult.

I meant filter media not the filter itself

Get a decent sized tank instead, you can get one for the same price and your fishes will be happier. The Juwel Rekord range are decent starter tanks. Sometimes little tanks can be hard to maintain and can be more work than a larger one.

You might be better approaching this from a different angle. Ask yourself, which type of fish would I like to keep? Then find out the conditions you need to keep them in. Have a browse at other peoples tanks on here and ask lots of questions. The first tank I bought was too small, but a week later I got a free 96 litre one on gumtree and found that a good size to start with.

http/www.juwel-aquarium.de/en/rekord.htm

Thanks, but I am getting 1 of the 2 I listed.

 

[KittyKat]

As for the filter, hang-on-the-back helps get air into the water, otherwise you would be risking oxygen starvation or CO[sub]2[/sub] poisoning.. it would be possible to use another type of filter, but very difficult.

I meant filter media not the filter itself

They generally work best as are, but it is possible to add bio-ball type media in a pouch, or loose if you use larger media.. addition of bio-balls or sucklike will improve surface area for bacteria, but because of the small surface area of the tank, it probably won't matter as the surface area restricts the number of fish to what the filter can cope with anyway.

Thanks, but I am getting 1 of the 2 I listed.

Deciding to kill your new pets before you even buy them is not particularly responsible.

 

[lljdma06]

I'm looking at getting one of these. Wondering what kinds of fish & live plants I can safely keep in them without a heater. Not looking to do goldfish or betta.Also, anyone know who has the best price on the EBI?

Finally, if you have 1 & are not using the filter material it came with, what do you use?

Guys, OP is NOT looking to do a betta or a goldfish. Read the post before you jump at him/her. For a hobbiest willing to do the proper maintenance, either tank can offer some interesting stocking options. The biggest drawback for the Edge is flow and that it's just looks like it's a pain to do anything in. The filtration is not optimum. Just by looking the Ebi, I see that it has more space and better access than the Edge. Filtration probably stinks too, but many here have upgraded the filtration which I can see that you are already looking into.

I have an ambiant temperature at my home of between 74 and 76 in my house, allowing me to keep my tanks unheated and I don't keep species that really demand super warm temps. You don't always have to stick an actual heater in the tank to keep it warm. I find that some of the smaller cyprinids would make good choices for these tanks and they would do well with slightly cooler temps. The pygmy cories may be an option as well, perhaps also aspidoras species, but you have to look up temp requirements too for each species. There are shrimp that do better in cooler temps as well. With regard to the cyprinids, don't bother with the standard stuff, look into Boraras or the Celestial whatever it's called now. WCMM, IMO, are too big for these tanks, but Boraras may do well. Some species are more hardy that others. I've kept many of them, so don't hesitate to ask. As for plants, lighting is more of a factor than temp. I know both Edge and Ebi have LEDs, you might want to bring this topic over to Planted if you do decide to plant this tank up. Ebi has better potential for planting as it doesn't seem as cumbersome as the Edge. It looks like you can acually remove the lid on the Ebi and actually access all corners of the tank.

Sorry for the length, hope this helps a bit. May I ask what is the ambiant temperature of your home?

llj

 

[MagicManPA]

I'm looking at getting one of these. Wondering what kinds of fish & live plants I can safely keep in them without a heater. Not looking to do goldfish or betta.Also, anyone know who has the best price on the EBI?

Finally, if you have 1 & are not using the filter material it came with, what do you use?

Guys, OP is NOT looking to do a betta or a goldfish. Read the post before you jump at him/her. For a hobbiest willing to do the proper maintenance, either tank can offer some interesting stocking options. The biggest drawback for the Edge is flow and that it's just looks like it's a pain to do anything in. The filtration is not optimum. Just by looking the Ebi, I see that it has more space and better access than the Edge. Filtration probably stinks too, but many here have upgraded the filtration which I can see that you are already looking into.

I have an ambiant temperature at my home of between 74 and 76 in my house, allowing me to keep my tanks unheated and I don't keep species that really demand super warm temps. You don't always have to stick an actual heater in the tank to keep it warm. I find that some of the smaller cyprinids would make good choices for these tanks and they would do well with slightly cooler temps. The pygmy cories may be an option as well, perhaps also aspidoras species, but you have to look up temp requirements too for each species. There are shrimp that do better in cooler temps as well. With regard to the cyprinids, don't bother with the standard stuff, look into Boraras or the Celestial whatever it's called now. WCMM, IMO, are too big for these tanks, but Boraras may do well. Some species are more hardy that others. I've kept many of them, so don't hesitate to ask. As for plants, lighting is more of a factor than temp. I know both Edge and Ebi have LEDs, you might want to bring this topic over to Planted if you do decide to plant this tank up. Ebi has better potential for planting as it doesn't seem as cumbersome as the Edge. It looks like you can acually remove the lid on the Ebi and actually access all corners of the tank.

Sorry for the length, hope this helps a bit. May I ask what is the ambiant temperature of your home?

llj

60* when I'm not home or sleeping & 70-75* when I'm home.

I'm not going to upgrade the filter itself. I was looking for options on media to use in it other than the Fluval media.

 

[lljdma06]

I'm looking at getting one of these. Wondering what kinds of fish & live plants I can safely keep in them without a heater. Not looking to do goldfish or betta.Also, anyone know who has the best price on the EBI?

Finally, if you have 1 & are not using the filter material it came with, what do you use?

Guys, OP is NOT looking to do a betta or a goldfish. Read the post before you jump at him/her. For a hobbiest willing to do the proper maintenance, either tank can offer some interesting stocking options. The biggest drawback for the Edge is flow and that it's just looks like it's a pain to do anything in. The filtration is not optimum. Just by looking the Ebi, I see that it has more space and better access than the Edge. Filtration probably stinks too, but many here have upgraded the filtration which I can see that you are already looking into.

I have an ambiant temperature at my home of between 74 and 76 in my house, allowing me to keep my tanks unheated and I don't keep species that really demand super warm temps. You don't always have to stick an actual heater in the tank to keep it warm. I find that some of the smaller cyprinids would make good choices for these tanks and they would do well with slightly cooler temps. The pygmy cories may be an option as well, perhaps also aspidoras species, but you have to look up temp requirements too for each species. There are shrimp that do better in cooler temps as well. With regard to the cyprinids, don't bother with the standard stuff, look into Boraras or the Celestial whatever it's called now. WCMM, IMO, are too big for these tanks, but Boraras may do well. Some species are more hardy that others. I've kept many of them, so don't hesitate to ask. As for plants, lighting is more of a factor than temp. I know both Edge and Ebi have LEDs, you might want to bring this topic over to Planted if you do decide to plant this tank up. Ebi has better potential for planting as it doesn't seem as cumbersome as the Edge. It looks like you can acually remove the lid on the Ebi and actually access all corners of the tank.

Sorry for the length, hope this helps a bit. May I ask what is the ambiant temperature of your home?

llj

60* when I'm not home or sleeping & 70-75* when I'm home.

I'm not going to upgrade the filter itself. I was looking for options on media to use in it other than the Fluval media.

It's quite a swing. Where are you? That being said, if the Winter is cool in Miami, tanks will dip into the 60s. But my cyprinids don't mind. Plants don't mind either. Sorry, once you've seen Labs (African cichlids) in outdoor ponds in Miami in 35degree weather, your views on fish temperature requirements kind of shift a bit. Oscars are kept out here too. Angelfish are in unheated zoo exhibits.

 

[KittyKat]

Sorry MagicManPA! Miss-read you should have said something earlier! Later reply looked like you wanted one or the other and I didn't re-read the earlier one..

 

[MagicManPA]

I'm in PA.

I'm looking at getting one of these. Wondering what kinds of fish & live plants I can safely keep in them without a heater. Not looking to do goldfish or betta.Also, anyone know who has the best price on the EBI?

Finally, if you have 1 & are not using the filter material it came with, what do you use?

Guys, OP is NOT looking to do a betta or a goldfish. Read the post before you jump at him/her. For a hobbiest willing to do the proper maintenance, either tank can offer some interesting stocking options. The biggest drawback for the Edge is flow and that it's just looks like it's a pain to do anything in. The filtration is not optimum. Just by looking the Ebi, I see that it has more space and better access than the Edge. Filtration probably stinks too, but many here have upgraded the filtration which I can see that you are already looking into.

I have an ambiant temperature at my home of between 74 and 76 in my house, allowing me to keep my tanks unheated and I don't keep species that really demand super warm temps. You don't always have to stick an actual heater in the tank to keep it warm. I find that some of the smaller cyprinids would make good choices for these tanks and they would do well with slightly cooler temps. The pygmy cories may be an option as well, perhaps also aspidoras species, but you have to look up temp requirements too for each species. There are shrimp that do better in cooler temps as well. With regard to the cyprinids, don't bother with the standard stuff, look into Boraras or the Celestial whatever it's called now. WCMM, IMO, are too big for these tanks, but Boraras may do well. Some species are more hardy that others. I've kept many of them, so don't hesitate to ask. As for plants, lighting is more of a factor than temp. I know both Edge and Ebi have LEDs, you might want to bring this topic over to Planted if you do decide to plant this tank up. Ebi has better potential for planting as it doesn't seem as cumbersome as the Edge. It looks like you can acually remove the lid on the Ebi and actually access all corners of the tank.

Sorry for the length, hope this helps a bit. May I ask what is the ambiant temperature of your home?

llj

60* when I'm not home or sleeping & 70-75* when I'm home.

I'm not going to upgrade the filter itself. I was looking for options on media to use in it other than the Fluval media.

It's quite a swing. Where are you? That being said, if the Winter is cool in Miami, tanks will dip into the 60s. But my cyprinids don't mind. Plants don't mind either. Sorry, once you've seen Labs (African cichlids) in outdoor ponds in Miami in 35degree weather, your views on fish temperature requirements kind of shift a bit. Oscars are kept out here too. Angelfish are in unheated zoo exhibits.

 

[lljdma06]

Sorry MagicManPA! Miss-read you should have said something earlier! Later reply looked like you wanted one or the other and I didn't re-read the earlier one..

That's why I said what I said. No worries...

I'm in PA.

The small cyprinids I mentioned should be ok, though if you perhaps put the temperature in the mid sixties to late 60s all the time, that would be better. Of the three main ones I worked with, B. merah was the hardiest, though both briggittae and urophthalmoides also survived an IL winter. You'd have to look into the temperature requirements for the pygmy corydoras there are three main species...

C. habrosus - did well in unheated tanks in Miami, liked the Winter dip in temperature.
C. pygmaeus - a note on these guys, they did well during an IL winter and they also survived a heater accident where the water shot up to 96 degrees. They are less active when it's hot.
C. hastatus - never worked with this species, so that one you'll have to do your homework on.

The good thing about keeping the species small is that you can keep very good numbers. That being said, it looks like it is much easier to put a heater in the Ebi than in the Edge. If it were me buying the tank, I'd get the Ebi. The Edge, though very cool-looking, looks really hard to get into to do maintenance and stuff.

Whatever you decide, it's up to you. If you do decide to plant it up, don't hesitate to visit planted and ask away.

llj