Fishless Cycle

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Hello, I believe i am currently in the second phase of my cycle and every 12 hours my ammonia readings are 0-0.25ppm which i top back up to 4ppm, my nitrite/nitrate readings are off the chart. My question is should i keep topping up ammonia to 4ppm every 12 hours or lower it to 2ppm until the nitrite spike levels out. One more question out of interest when it comes to stocking how long do i have from doing a down to gravel water change and adding fish before the bacteria starts dying off.
Many thanks Keith.
 
Hello,
My parameters for the last 12hrs
29th(2200hrs)
ammonia 0.25ppm
nitrite 5ppm+
pH 8.2
H/H ammonia added 3.87ml(2ppm, to start leveling out the nitrite spike)

30th(1030hrs)
ammonia 0ppm
nitrite 0ppm
pH 8.2
H/H ammonia added 8.84(4ppm now that the nitrite reading has leveled)

Have i done things right?
Can you please advise how long the bacs can survive without there ammonia fix?

Many thanks, Keith.
 
O dear, you've missed a little piece of the methodology! You only ever add ammonia at the "add-hour," the 24-hour mark after you dosed previously. Adding sooner than that or adding if your NH3 reading has not reached true zero ppm will eventually add too much nitrogen to the tank. Mind you, its no big deal, there's lots of latitude in things that eventually work out luckily! But we've found it works really well to do several tweaks in the fishless cycling process to help guard against too much NO2 and NO3 buildup during the second phase: "Pulse" the dosing (as described above) by letting it get down to zero and sit there until the 24hour mark is reached; lower the dose itself (personally I like 2 or 3ppm rather than 4-5ppm during the 2nd phase, then of course it needs to be eased back up to 5ppm for the finish during the 3rd phase.) During the third phase it works really well to do some giant water changes on some of the weekends, with redosing, to get those nitrogen levels down!

You can go a day or two before the fish are introduced (assuming its not a completely full stocking) after the big water change, but you can also (believe it or not) lightly dose some ammonia to the bacteria too, as, if you think about it, the big water change is really all about just getting the nitrate level down under control before the fish go in. Just make sure all parameters are A-OK for the fish (zero ammonia, zero nitrite, 15-20ppm above tap level as max for nitrate.)

~~waterdrop~~
 
Thanks WD, Should i do a big water change tomorrow? I know my nitrate reading is off the chart.
Many thanks, Keith.
 
My water parameters:

30th(2230hrs)12hr test
ammonia 0.25ppm
nitrite 2ppm
pH 8.2

31st(1030hrs)24hr test
ammonia 0ppm
nitrite 0ppm
nitrate 80-160ppm
pH 8.2
H/H ammonia added 8.84ml(4ppm)

Sould i do a large water change or leave it for now?
Kind regards, Keith.
 
Hi Keith, totally up to you - in my opinion it really can't hurt to do a large water change and then recharge the ammonia level even though it can seem to set things back a day or so.. it usually results is a better performing process afterward assuming the excess nitrogen was indeed the problem. In your case it depends on the time and energy you have as you could get by longer if necessary (ie. next weekend if you've already kind of missed your slot this weekend or something.) WD
 
Thanks WD, will keep posting my water parameters and will do a big water change in the week when I get a chance.
 
My water parameters:

31st(2230hrs)12hr test
ammonia 0.25ppm
nitrite 2ppm
pH 8.2

1st(0930hrs)24hr test
ammonia 0ppm
nitrite 0ppm
nitrate 80-160ppm
pH 8.2
H/H ammonia added 0.00ml(0ppm)
85-90% water change
4tsp sodium bicarb added (pH back up to 8.2)
H/H ammonia added 6.63ml(3ppm)
Tank Temp 28c

Will post again tomorrow, if there is anything that looks wrong please don't hesitate to advise me.
Kind regards, Keith
 
With your pH holding up as well as it is, you really don't need a big water change right now Skins. One of the main reasons we will do a water change during a fishless cycle is because the pH has gotten away from us. In your case, it seems that th pH is fully under control so a water change is not really needed.
 
Hello all,

My water parameters:

1st(2130hrs)12hr test
ammonia 0.50-1ppm
nitrite 0-0.25ppm
pH 8.2

2nd(0930hrs)24hr test
ammonia 0ppm
nitrite 0ppm
nitrate 20-40ppm
pH 8.2
H/H ammonia added 6.63ml(3ppm)

Will update again tomorrow, Skins.
 
Hello all,

My water parameters:

2nd(2130hrs)12hr test
ammonia 0.25ppm
nitrite 0-0.25ppm
pH 8.2

3rd(0930hrs)24hr test
ammonia 0ppm
nitrite 0ppm
nitrate 20-40ppm
pH 8.2
H/H ammonia added 6.63ml(3ppm)

Will update again tomorrow, Skins.
 
Everything appears to still be doing well, with both types of bacteria doing a lot of processing. The N-Bacs even appear for now to be trending better over the last 3 days, another good thing. Keep up the good work.

~~waterdrop~~
 
Hello All, Thanks WD for the encouragement
My water parameters:

3rd(2130hrs)12hr test
ammonia 0-0.25ppm
nitrite 0.25ppm
pH 8.2

4th(0930hrs)24hr test
ammonia 0ppm
nitrite 0ppm
nitrate N/A
pH 8.2
H/H ammonia added 6.63ml(3ppm)

Will post again tomorrow, fingers crossed for double zeros at the 12hr test.
Skins.
 
Some advice please,
As you are aware i am in the middle of my fishless cycle. The filter that is doing all the hard work is a fluval 305 which has mechanical(x4 sponges),chemical(x3 carbon) and biological(x3 biomax) media.

My question is would it be a good idea to remove some or all of the carbon and exchange it for the biomax or should i leave well alone at this stage?

Skins.
 
Hello all,

My water parameters:

4th(2130hrs)12hr test
ammonia 0.25ppm
nitrite 0.50ppm

5th(0930hrs)24hr test
ammonia 0ppm
nitrite 0ppm
nitrate n/a
pH 8.2
H/H ammonia added 6.63ml(3ppm)

Some advice please,
As you are aware i am in the middle of my fishless cycle. The filter that is doing all the hard work is a fluval 305 which has mechanical(x4 sponges),chemical(x3 carbon) and biological(x3 biomax) media.

My question is would it be a good idea to remove some or all of the carbon and exchange it for the biomax or should i leave well alone at this stage?

Will update again tomorrow, Skins.
 

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