Fish Going To Top For Air But...

[h3r31am]

Hey im new and glad to be apart of these forums,
Today i got 3 new Giant Danios for my 30 gallon tank, they are doing well swimming and very lively HOWEVER... the once in a while go up for oxygen (I think)
is this a natural thing?
i'm sure i have enough things in my tank to get oxygen into it like a filter and two air stones one being a bar type.
Petsmart tested my water and its all clear and fine.
Temp is about 26C (79F)
Though my water is cloudy and im going through the cycling process.
Does anyone have a guide on the cycling process? if so please share!
Srry for all the questions.
Thx.
Here are some pics if it helps:
The Fish

My Tank

Air Stones

And Filter

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Sorry if i went overkill with the pics and info.

 

[dipsydoodlenoodle]

fish going to the surface for oxygen is natural; it's when they sit at the top all day not moving gasping for air that is becomes a problem.

 

[raptorrex]

unfortunately, airstones, do very little to add O2. i cant see, but if you put the, outlet, of your filter at the surface (or just below). it will do, way, more to help.
on the fish? it depends on how often, as dipsy says.

 

[roadmaster]

unfortunately, airstones, do very little to add O2. i cant see, but if you put the, outlet, of your filter at the surface (or just below). it will do, way, more to help.
on the fish? it depends on how often, as dipsy says.

Considering that sponge filters in my fry tanks run off airpump and air stones,I would have to disagree that airstones provide little Oxygen. They are the only filtration in my fry tanks and do indeed provide needed oxygen.

 

[Truck]

unfortunately, airstones, do very little to add O2. i cant see, but if you put the, outlet, of your filter at the surface (or just below). it will do, way, more to help.
on the fish? it depends on how often, as dipsy says.

Considering that sponge filters in my fry tanks run off airpump and air stones,I would have to disagree that airstones provide little Oxygen. They are the only filtration in my fry tanks and do indeed provide needed oxygen.

Filters aren't there to provide oxygen, an air stone bubbling bubbles through water adds minimal air due to the minimal surface area in relation to the amount of oxygen, where as a rippling water surface will give a larger surface area and will act as a better mean of aeration.

If air stones were to add a notable amount of oxygen to the water then the bubbles would be visibly smaller when they reach the surface.

 

[roadmaster]

unfortunately, airstones, do very little to add O2. i cant see, but if you put the, outlet, of your filter at the surface (or just below). it will do, way, more to help.
on the fish? it depends on how often, as dipsy says.

Considering that sponge filters in my fry tanks run off airpump and air stones,I would have to disagree that airstones provide little Oxygen. They are the only filtration in my fry tanks and do indeed provide needed oxygen.

Filters aren't there to provide oxygen, an air stone bubbling bubbles through water adds minimal air due to the minimal surface area in relation to the amount of oxygen, where as a rippling water surface will give a larger surface area and will act as a better mean of aeration.

If air stones were to add a notable amount of oxygen to the water then the bubbles would be visibly smaller when they reach the surface.

I should have added one more word to the last sentence..(exchange)
It is in my view,the disturbance at the surface and movement of water from the bottom carried by the bubbles to the top, that create CO2 oxygen exchange.
If it were otherwise, sponge filters I use would be useless.

Have also found that airstones are helpful in the event of power outages. Many fish have been saved by battery operated aeration devices. And unlike some filters that must be primed before resuming operation after a power outage,, An air pump powered device resumes operation as quickly as power is restored. this is especially comforting to me should I be away during the power outage an unable to be there to prIme the filter.

 

[raptorrex]

Have also found that airstones are helpful in the event of power outages. Many fish have been saved by battery operated aeration devices. And unlike some filters that must be primed before resuming operation after a power outage,, An air pump powered device resumes operation as quickly as power is restored. this is especially comforting to me should I be away during the power outage an unable to be there to prIme the filter.

Air pumps and filters are, two different things! not even related. (unless you have an sponge filter, even then. the water does not receive the O2, it's the bacteria) which, it seems, you dont fully grasp.

once again, Airstones do not, significantly, aid O2 absorption. or even CO2-O2 exchange (science fact, not conjecture). except for the disturbance they cause on the surface. they are items for our visual enjoyment.

yet another "wives Tale". there are sooooooooo many in fishkeeping.

 

[Curiosity101]

When you say petsmart tested your water was it before or after you added the fish?
And did they give you the exact values?

You saying your tank is still cycling...but these are the first fish in there that I can see.
Did you fishless cycle you tank?

If you simply left the tank standing empty (just water and pumps/filters running etc), then it hasn't started cycling yet.
It will start once the fish are in (or if you'd done it fishlessly then when you added ammonia).

My guess would be that your ammonia is now high and the fishes gills are being burnt so they are less able to effectively take O2 from the water and are now gasping for air (as the % O2 in air is higher than water). Gasping is quite a common sign of ammonia poisoning.

 

[roadmaster]

Have also found that airstones are helpful in the event of power outages. Many fish have been saved by battery operated aeration devices. And unlike some filters that must be primed before resuming operation after a power outage,, An air pump powered device resumes operation as quickly as power is restored. this is especially comforting to me should I be away during the power outage an unable to be there to prIme the filter.

Air pumps and filters are, two different things! not even related. (unless you have an sponge filter, even then. the water does not receive the O2, it's the bacteria) which, it seems, you dont fully grasp.

once again, Airstones do not, significantly, aid O2 absorption. or even CO2-O2 exchange (science fact, not conjecture). except for the disturbance they cause on the surface. they are items for our visual enjoyment.

yet another "wives Tale". there are sooooooooo many in fishkeeping.

Am well aware of the difference between pumps and filters.As it happens, I was referring to the Sponge filters in my fry tanks(see above), that run off of air pumps ,and airstones and are the only source of water movement at the surface, and the (only) form of filtration in the tank to facillitate the CO2 -O2 exchange. Tanks are covered.
Been doin it this way for years, If as you say ,this particular method is not effective,then why do my fishes thrive? Why do fish that appear to be gasping at the surface often find relief by adding an airstone to the tank? why do many recommend adding an airstone when treating tanks with some medications?
As I have mentioned to you before ,I am always keen to learn new things,please point me to or provide published ,peer reviewed works that dispute my observations so that I can better provide for my fish.

 

[raptorrex]

Am well aware of the difference between pumps and filters.As it happens, I was referring to the Sponge filters in my fry tanks(see above), that run off of air pumps ,and airstones and are the only source of water movement at the surface, and the (only) form of filtration in the tank to facillitate the CO2 -O2 exchange. Tanks are covered.
Been doin it this way for years, If as you say ,this particular method is not effective,then why do my fishes thrive? Why do fish that appear to be gasping at the surface often find relief by adding an airstone to the tank? why do many recommend adding an airstone when treating tanks with some medications?
As I have mentioned to you before ,I am always keen to learn new things,please point me to or provide published ,peer reviewed works that dispute my observations so that I can better provide for my fish.

again, airstones, dont add, much, O2 to water. Airstones, whatever you think, are nothing to do with filtration. though you can place a sponge over one, and it may work. all the air does there is, create a flow of water through the sponge. this allows the bacteria to feed, and breath. they have no (intended) function, in adding O2 or removing CO2. though they may, cause a little exchange.

as for why your tank thrives? they don't seem to, viewing your question. and why do fish seem to get relief, by lying by an air stone? because the air stone is not getting enough (if any) O2 into the water!!!! Oh yeah, and we only have your word for it. whilst the FACTS surrounding O2 CO2 exchange and O2 infusion. are well known, scientifically. and both provable, and well accepted in the hobby.

That's your lot.

 

[roadmaster]

Am well aware of the difference between pumps and filters.As it happens, I was referring to the Sponge filters in my fry tanks(see above), that run off of air pumps ,and airstones and are the only source of water movement at the surface, and the (only) form of filtration in the tank to facillitate the CO2 -O2 exchange. Tanks are covered.
Been doin it this way for years, If as you say ,this particular method is not effective,then why do my fishes thrive? Why do fish that appear to be gasping at the surface often find relief by adding an airstone to the tank? why do many recommend adding an airstone when treating tanks with some medications?
As I have mentioned to you before ,I am always keen to learn new things,please point me to or provide published ,peer reviewed works that dispute my observations so that I can better provide for my fish.

again, airstones, dont add, much, O2 to water. Airstones, whatever you think, are nothing to do with filtration. though you can place a sponge over one, and it may work. all the air does there is, create a flow of water through the sponge. this allows the bacteria to feed, and breath. they have no (intended) function, in adding O2 or removing CO2. though they may, cause a little exchange.

as for why your tank thrives? they don't seem to, viewing your question. and why do fish seem to get relief, by lying by an air stone? because the air stone is not getting enough (if any) O2 into the water!!!! Oh yeah, and we only have your word for it. whilst the FACTS surrounding O2 CO2 exchange and O2 infusion. are well known, scientifically. and both provable, and well accepted in the hobby.

That's your lot.

The facts are indeed well known that D.O. (dissolved Oxygen) levels can easily be measured in ppm and that at higher temps,these levels can drop to levels that cause many fish to have difficulty. Is also easy to measure the effects of additional aeration (airstones) on said aquarium before and after adding such additional aeration(airstones).
Again,, point me to published scientific works that state otherwise.
For another Opinion ,so long as that's all we appear to be dealing in ,, Some may find an interesting read here..www.thekrib.com/Plants/CO2/airstone.
Perhaps not scientific,but offers yet another view .

 

[Curiosity101]

Seriously guys...don't you think you should be having this discussion via PM or your own thread?

 

[roadmaster]

Seriously guys...don't you think you should be having this discussion via PM or your own thread?

My apologies to all concerned. I felt that my fish keeping ability,and perhaps mental capacity was being called into question. I shall try and be more civil in the future.

 

[waterdrop]

Hi h3r31am and welcome to TFF!

I believe you are in what we call a Fish-In Cycle and yes, we have help for that. Please look for the article by rabbut in our Beginners Resource Center. In addition to that article it would probably be helpful if any of the members present after you're able to verify your situation for us would help you with the immediate things you'll need. You'll probably need some large immediate water changes with good technique and you'll probably need to find a good liquid based test kit and learn how to use it.

~~waterdrop~~

 

[IC1]

From Curiosity 101 'Seriously guys...don't you think you should be having this discussion via PM or your own thread?'

Continue via PM, 'no' this is a very informative and interesting debate, especially for a novice like me.

Raptorrex I would be interested to see links to articles supporting your position?

Coincidentally I was looking at air pumps for feeding an air curtain today as a addition, can anybody recommend any quite quality products?

regards all

IC1