Enchinodorus 'tornado' Is Not Well

[FishyWishie]

My Enchindorus 'tornado' XXL seems to be dieing the leaves have brown bits on them and the leaves are developing holes.

Tank is 370L

WPG is approx 1.89
dosing Ferts at 20m per day along with 15ml of Easy Carbo

root-tabs and iron-tabs are being used.


The plant seems to have declined since I moved from TPN + to the above ferts am I missing something in that fert ? I can't see any Nitrogen ?

Its a great plant but Im not sure if I can save it or not

 

[ian]

That to me looks like a potassium deficiency. Sword leaves don't repaur themselves either, so you need to be trimming them off. Cut them from the crown of the plant (bottom).

 

[FishyWishie]

Crikes how do I go about fixing that ? - should I go back to TPN + with its NPK ?

Or should I stick with the fert I linked and up the dose significantly ? I'm gutted going to have to massive slash what was an impressive plant back something hellish

Just my luck I prob haul it out tonight then and replace it with something more my level

 

[ian]

you have potassium in that mix. Just remember as long as you're keeping up with water changes, overdosing shouldn't be a problem. Every planted tank has different equilibrium it's not always a done thing with sticking certain doses. This is why i will always advocate the use of TPN+ rather than mixing your own, until you know what you are looking for/at.

 

[RadaR]

Add more nutrients. Cut off the suffering leaves.
If a carbon additive is being added then the tank should be recieveing 50% weekly water changes.
Hope things pick up for you.

 

[FishyWishie]

The stuff im using is premixed power but I don't know the % of each right enough - http/www.plantedtanks.co.uk/plantedtanks-ei-mix-1676-p.asp

Carbon wise i've been using EasyCarbo and doing 50% weekly changes of water but I'm hoping to move over to FE C02 later this week

I'll trim the bad leaves now and increase the dosage and possibly go back to TPN+ despite it costing a ton

 

[ian]

oh sorry, i didn't realise it was a complete mix, i thought it was separate mixes. As per RadaR's advice, just up the dosage.

 

[FishyWishie]

I'm more than happy to have a crack at making my owm nix rather than buying the premade powder linked above

I've looked at http/www.theplantedtank.co.uk/allinone.htm and also http/www.plantedtanks.co.uk/dry-salts-134-c.asp

Any advice on this would be awesome esp with regards to potasium if that is indeed the likely issue atm. For now i've removed the worst affected leaves and I will ramp up the fert dose till I see an improvement or at least an arrestment of the decline.

The problem with the premade mix is the 2000ml pack which is £16.50 lasts 50 days at there recommended dosage or 25 if I end up doubling the dosage at which is not enough so would I be cheaper making my own ? The damage does seem to have accelerated since I left TPN + for the new stuff so I can only guess it has lower levels of something I need more of.

Interestingly everything else including my red plants are thriving makes me wonder if I could get away with just increasing the nutrient the Enchinodorus needs (If I could figure out what it was lol) Or maybe I'm doing my usual and overcomplicating/

 

[FishyWishie]

Looks like when weekend comes Ill be removing the Enchinodorus its continuing to die I've upped the ferts and tried adjust photo period but the damage is continuing its a shame a massive plant is being reduced to a shameful specimen which I'll have to remove

Im really annoyed at myself it was a stunning specimen and I can't seem to save it no matter what Im doing.

Im still using EasyCarbo as Im to scared to fire up my FE C02

 

[FishyWishie]

Removing it on saturday its almost beyond repair now

I've decided to sell my FE C02 setup no other plant in the tank is struggling and I've had some bad luck with tank related issues in the past so I'm just not prepared to risk it.

 

[FishyWishie]

Think i need to go back to TPN+ that mix seems to be rubbish even dosing at 2x the recommended dosage the Enchinodorus continued breaking down and also my bullet proof amazon swords are starting to do it also


would buying the individual chemical powders as talked about on http/www.theplantedtank.co.uk/ ensure I had enough of each thing the plant needs

Ive been using THIS but even upping the dose to 80ml daily didnt arrest the decline.

I thought it could be carbon related as im still only using easy carbo but the way the leaves are dieing to me doesnt look like a carbon deficiency ?

Please help im feeling a little (make that a lot) out my depth

 

[windhopper]

I'm have next to no knowledge of plants, but my echinodorus did the same thing, was massive and I moved it (same tank but to a different location) and it completely dided off, I think I was left with two pitiful leaves. It stayed that way for about a month or so and I was loathed to pull it out because I love it, then all of a sudden it had a massive splurge of growth and returned to its former glory. Maybe it would beworth giving it alittle time?
Good Luck

*edited (i read your post wrong - dyslexia)