Confused Identity Oscars

[markandhisfish]

since i got my oscars ive been reading lots about them on different oscar websites . and something ive been looking into a lot is the whole albino/lutino thing . and this is what the article says


Lutino Oscar
White, can retain (potentially vivid) red, orange, and dark colorations. Will have normal eye coloration and usually has black edges to the fins.

Albino Oscar
Albino Oscars will be pale white, retaining orange and red coloration (potentially vivid), possessing no dark (black, brown, green, gray) coloration. Eyes will be red or pink.


well my 2 must be confused , as they have the black edging to the fins which says lutino , but they also have pink eyes which says albino

 

[Verminator89]

Maybe an albino bred with a lutino?

In all seriousness i have no idea, sorry lol.

 

[fluttermoth]

From my experience (which is mostly from rabbits, lol, but the principles hold true) the albino gene doesn't always stop all production of black pigment.

It's the eye colour that is the most telling characteristic, so your two are definitely albinos, not lutino, they just have some residual colouration.

My oscar's exactly the same

 

[markandhisfish]

this is where it gets confusing lol . since i got these i joined a couple of forums specialising purely in oscars . 1 of them has this definition of albino/lutino genes .

now a moderator from the forum with the guide i copied/pasted in the 1st post of this thread had this to say. ( will just copy/paste their answers and not the forum names)

answer 1 from 1st oscar forum
An Albino cannot have black coloration so your fish are Lutinos.
I would expect your fish's eye coloration to change as they grow.... but the "eye coloration" is not a "rule". While Albino's will always have pink colored eyes and Lutinos almost always have normal eye coloration, it is not impossible for a Lutino to have pink or red eyes, just as it would not be altogether unheard of for a Tiger Oscar to have pink or red eyes. However, an absence of dark pigmentation (such as black) on an Albino is a rule of nature.

and answer from 2nd oscar forum , again by a moderator

in all my years in the hobby(and it has been quite a few) i have yet to see a true albino or hear from a reliable source of an albino oscar. now, im not saying they dont exist but they are definetly rare to find and if you did manage to come across one you will know by the price tag associated with it.
trust me when i say you have a lutino oscar reguardless of the colour of its eyes.

also on a side note the black you see on the fins of some lutino is a result of poor breeding stock. a nice totally white/cream with either orange or yellow highlights is what they are supposed to look like. no black or grey on them.
this doesnt mean you have a fish that is inferior in any way, it only means they parents were not as pure(for lack of a better term) than they could have been......

now i have to be honest im not 100% cinvinced by wither answer. i mean as for the 1st 1 i know body colour can change dramaticly during a fishs growth but ive never seen or heard of eyes changing colour.

and as for the 2nd answer if my fish are from supposedly inferior stock , and its quite normal for lutinos to have black edging then surely all lutinos are "inferior" as she so nicely puts it .
ahh screw it im just gonna say i got oscars period. much easier that way

 

[star4]

So many oscars are tank bred, I dont think many are "true strain" if you look at some tiger oscars compared to others there are so many differences. Rusty (apart from his fins) still has very little red/orange, where as Chops has quite a lot. Just appreciate them for what they are, a tank full of trouble

 

[markandhisfish]

i think thats what im going to do . when i get a new species and end up reallky getting into them i tend to want to learn everything i can about them and sometimes end up going a bit too deep . at the end of the day call albino,lutino , throwbacks,retards or whatever . theyre mine i love em and thats all that matters .

i did that with the discus , became too obsesive with them and it completely took the enjoyment out of it for me .

 

[forby3]

mark my oscar was white with orange but no black and had red eyes

so what was mine lol

 

[minxfishy]

My Tinker who is LUTINO has you can see, has no black markings (but did have a few when small) and very vivid orange markings. She has black eyes with an orange colouration around the black. Now Tailor, isnt a tiger, but isnt a lutino either, he is very light grey with red markings, black eyes with the orange colouration around the outside of them

 

[Verminator89]

My Tiger was black and silver when i got him. Now he's black with orange, small amounts of orange and has cream/white tips to his fins still.

Just love them for the Oscars they are, as Lesley said they have been tank bred for so long now its all become a blur of what strain is what and has been mixed with what.

Just for the record, a true Albino Oscar i saw for sale in a shop when i was younger. It was crystal white almost. Going for near enough £300, which several years ago was even more expensive than it would be today.

 

[markandhisfish]

yeah thats exactly what im gonna do just enjoy em for what they are instead of trying too much to work out exactly what they are. they are astronatus heinzs57ius

 

[Graphic5]

they are astronatus heinzs57ius

Thats ace mate

 

[fishnovice]

they are astronatus heinzs57ius

Thats ace mate

Maybe they're altinos -or lubinos???

 

[markandhisfish]

lol lubinos i like that