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I am able to keep fish alive and thriving, but Iā€™m a MASTER PLANT KILLER. Water parameters fine, gravel bottom, 30 gallon tank, plant food and fish poop fertilizerā€¦.and dying plants.
Whatā€™s your plant growing secret?
 
Aaaww man, I'm sorry, that's rough! My aquarium plant secret? I think they just seem to like my source water for whatever reason, whatever balance of things it has. I only tend to fertilise sporadically when I remember, but I also have plants that will thrive for ages, then seem to fail, then come back strong for no reason that's clear to me.

What kind of plant food fertiliser are you using for what type of plant? Because some plants are heavy root feeders and really need root tabs, while others want a liquid fert. Heavy root feeders include plants like amazon swords and cryptocorynes, while many stem plants like elodea take most of their nutrients from the water column.

If it helps, I'm pretty good with my aquarium plants and outdoor plants, but I can't keep indoor plants alive to save my life. I've even rotted a cactus. I'm so known for it that one time when my folks visited, my mum saw a new houseplant I'd bought and took it away with her. Said she was rescuing it from certain death :lol:
 
When I first tried plants I killed them all as well. But then I discovered slow growing plants which are grown attached to decor - java fern and anubias. These actually survived in my tank. So for a long time I had a tank full of these plants attached to plastic fake logs etc. I still have this type of plant, now attached to wood, but also things like ambulia and floating plants - water sprite in my main tank and red root floater in my shrimp tank.

The plant experts will ask things like the K rating of your tank light and how long it's on for, so if you have that information ready.......
 
Plants of all sorts tend to exercise suicidal tendancies with me....houseplants, aquatic plants, herbacious borders, bulbs, weeds....even the grass outside seems to lose the will to live with me.

Frankly am astounded that the water lettuce added to the aquarium is still alive after almost a week floating about in there.....thats a record in itself (though I am not counting the chickens yet on them staying alive since the flamin' fish won't quit nibbling at them, so if they fizzle too, then half the fault lies with the pesky nibblers in the aquarium - my excuse and I am sticking with it)

Plants do not like me, never have, never will.....we have an understanding.....I will not pester them and they do not try to grow anywhere near me...
 
What plants do you keep?

What sort of light is on the tank and how long is it on for?
How many watts is the light globe/ LED globes?

What plant food do you use?
How often do you add fertiliser?

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AQUARIUM PLANTS 1.01

LIGHTING TIMES

Most aquarium plants like a bit of light and if you only have the light on for a couple of hours a day, they struggle. If the light doesn't have a high enough wattage they also struggle. Try having the tank lights on for 10-12 hours a day.

If you get lots of green algae then reduce the light by an hour a day and monitor the algae over the next 2 weeks.
If you don't get any green algae on the glass then increase the lighting period by an hour and monitor it.
If you get a small amount of algae then the lighting time is about right.

Some plants will close their leaves up when they have had sufficient light. Ambulia, Hygrophilas and a few others close their top set of leaves first, then the next set and so on down the stem. When you see this happening, wait an hour after the leaves have closed up against the stem and then turn lights off.


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TURNING LIGHTS ON AND OFF
Stress from tank lights coming on when the room is dark can be an issue. Fish don't have eyelids and don't tolerate going from complete dark to bright light (or vice versa) instantly.

In the morning open the curtains or turn the room light on at least 30 minutes (or more) before turning the tank light on. This will reduce the stress on the fish and they won't go from a dark tank to a bright tank instantly.

At night turn the room light on and then turn the tank light off. Wait at least 30 minutes (or more) before turning the room light out. This allows the fish to settle down for the night instead of going from a brightly lit tank to complete darkness instantly.

Try to have the lights on at the same time each day. Use a timer if possible.


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LIST OF PLANTS TO TRY
Some good plants to try include Ambulia, Hygrophila polysperma, H. ruba/ rubra, Elodia (during summer, but don't buy it in winter because it falls apart), Hydrilla, common Amazon sword plant, narrow or twisted/ spiral Vallis, Water Sprite (Ceratopteris thalictroides/ cornuta).
The Water Sprite normally floats on the surface but can also be planted in the substrate. The other plants should be planted in the gravel.

Ambulia, H. polysperma, Elodia/ Hydrilla and Vallis are tall plants that do well along the back. Rotala macranda is a medium/ tallish red plant that usually does well.

H. ruba/ rubra is a medium height plant that looks good on the sides of the tank.

Cryptocorynes are small/ medium plants that are taller than pygmy chain swords but shorter than H. rubra. They also come in a range of colours, mostly different shades of green, brown or purplish red. Crypts are not the easiest plant to grow but can do well if they are healthy to begin with and are not disturbed after planting in the tank.

Most Amazon sword plants can get pretty big and are usually kept in the middle of the tank as a show piece. There is an Ozelot sword plant that has brown spots on green leaves, and a red ruffle sword plant (name may vary depending on where you live) with deep red leaves.

There is a pygmy chain sword plant that is small and does well in the front of the tank.


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TRUE AQUATIC VS MARSH/ TERRESTRIAL PLANTS
Lots of plants are sold as aquarium plants and most are marsh plants that do really well when their roots are in water and the rest of the plant is above water. Some marsh plants will do well underwater too.

Hair grass is not a true aquatic plant, neither is Anubias.

Some common marsh plants include Amazon sword plants, Cryptocorynes, Hygrophila sp, Rotala sp, Ludwigia sp, Bacopa sp. These plant do reasonably well underwater.

True aquatic plants include Ambulia, Cabomba, Hornwort, Elodia, Hydrilla and Vallis.

The main difference between marsh plants and true aquatic plants is the stem. True aquatics have a soft flexible stem with air bubbles in it. These bubbles help the plant float and remain buoyant in the water column.

Marsh plants have a rigid stem and these plants can remain standing upright when removed from water. Whereas true aquatic plants will fall over/ collapse when removed from water.


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IRON BASED PLANT FERTILISER
If you add an iron based aquarium plant fertiliser, it will help most aquarium plants do well. The liquid iron based aquarium plant fertilisers tend to be better than the tablet forms, although you can push the tablets under the roots of plants and that works well.

You use an iron (Fe) test kit to monitor iron levels and keep them at 1mg/l (1ppm).

I used Sera Florena liquid plant fertiliser but there are other brands too.


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CARBON DIOXIDE (CO2)
There is no point adding carbon dioxide (CO2) until you have the lights and nutrients worked out. Even then you don't need CO2 unless the tank is full of plants and only has a few small fish in.

There is plenty of CO2 in the average aquarium and it is produced by the fish and filter bacteria all day, every day. The plants also release CO2 at night when it is dark. And more CO2 gets into the tank from the atmosphere.

Don't use liquid CO2 supplements because they are made from toxic substances that harm fish, shrimp and snails.
 
What you need is to do things in moderation. Don't start with fine sands...go to smooth gravels. Add as many plants as possible by using some less costly stem plants and very hardy plants like Cryptocorynes,Vallisneria. Pearlweed is low cost on the internet. Also,unless you bought one of those brand aquariums that comes with a light for plants and instead have a light just meant for fish keeping? Add a second light.
Do not add anything a but a few small fish. Plants don't need fish period to thrive. Some ferts and iron is all.
You could go Co2. That's a gas that acts like a fertilizer in a way for plants. If you want plants so fast they grow like hedges? That's the way to go.
Try and avoid large weekly water changes. All you do is keep the new tank syndrome going that results is starved or shocked plants. Keep the filter clean and you can go weeks without a water change at the very least.
Large water plant growers and sellers always mention "Do not make large changes in water parameters with your new plants". I see that all the time yet plant boards tell people who have just set up an aquarium "Change half the water"...
Sure,if you hook up an expensive dosing device that's like an I.V. for aquariums. Otherwise get healthy on good water.
 
No green thumb for me either though I end up throwing out about 5 vals each month because they are taking over. I would start with the simple plants. Plants that I have found successful for me include, Vals, including Jungle Vals, Amazon Swords, Java Fern, water lettuce, and Hygrophila (I don't like its growth pattern).

I have a sand substrate though bordering on gravel, 1mm grains, I use root tabs, and 50% water change weekly. Historically I have only been adding water treatment for the fish, and nothing for the plants.

I am experimenting with more plants in the tank, and less water change amount because with the more plants my nitrates have been sitting between 0 and 5 ppm, whereas they used to be closer to 20 ppm before the water change.

For the most part I have used the Tropica site as a guide and only picking easy type plants though even some of those haven't worked for me such as Helanthium bolivianum. https://tropica.com/en/plants/search/?mode=search&sew=&dif=Easy&pgr=&ori=&use=
 
Even though I myself say "Co2 type plants"? There might not be a water plant that can't be grown in lo tech. I've seen the vids of Monte Carlo, Hygrophila pinnatifida..all of them thriving in low tech that had great lighting, a very light load in fish. Some had dirted tanks,some not.
Me? My problem-lol,is that my Rainbows will eat so many plants. I hated to see Hydrocotyle and Creeping Jenny and a few others just go down the Rainbow gullets. Live and learn.
 

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