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pieman

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Hi i've just bought my first fish for my tank (24"x12"x13") they are 5 neon tetra and 4 black widow tera, as these fish only cost 99p each i was wondering if you have any advice on some fish which i could get in the next month or so which are a bit harder to look after, i've been looking at some bettas.
 
Is that tank a 20 Gallon?... is it 'real' planted?... what type of substrate do you have (sand? gravel?)... what are your water stats? (Ammonia, Nitr'I'tes, Nitr'A'tes and PH?...
 
58 litre, pH 8, fake plants, gravel but im not too sure about the ammonia nitrites and nitrates.
 
im not too sure about the ammonia nitrites and nitrates.

Well, you should be!! These are such important paremeters...Your fish could be suffering... do a 'fishless cycle'... until your tank is fully established with the required beneficial bacteria I wouldn't add any more fish...

...forum member 'rdd1952' has an excellent, easy to follow 'fishless cycling' guide...
 
Yeah, thats why i didnt want to buy any expensive or intollerant fish until i know everything about the water and that it is stable.

Also im not too sure about changing 1/4 of the tank water, because refilling it with ordinary tap water would alter all the levels, what would you reccomend since i will probably end up changing this water during this week.
 
Yeah, thats why i didnt want to buy any expensive or intollerant fish until i know everything about the water and that it is stable.

Also im not too sure about changing 1/4 of the tank water, because refilling it with ordinary tap water would alter all the levels, what would you reccomend since i will probably end up changing this water during this week.

...It sounds like you are cycling 'with' fish (your Tetras)... rather than a 'fishless' cycle... they may be 'hardy' but 'all' fish will 'suffer' to a certain extent as they have to deal with the high Ammonia/Nitrite/Nitrates present until your tanks bacteria have established themselves...

always add a dechlorinator additive to any tap water before you add it to your tank... something like Nutrafin Aqua Plus...
 
Have you cycled the tank at all? It seems a bit late for a fishless cycle now...If not you should go out and get a water testing kit that can test ammonia, nitrite and nitrate. You need to start testing the water daily so you can keep track of where you are in the cycle. You will see the ammonia rise, then the nitrite then the nitrate and the other two should go back down.

Once ammonia and nitrite are down your tank is pretty much cycled. Until then do regular water changes to keep your fish a bit happier.

You can test the PH of your tap water and compare it to the tank, they should be pretty similar so long as you don't have much that effects the PH in your tank, even if their not doing a 25% water change won't effect it that much and it will even out pretty quickly. Get your new water ready (in a clean bucket that has never had any chemicals in it or somethi similar), get the temp right and treat it for chlorine/chloramine - any other treatments you add and it will be good to go, it won't effect the cycle (unless you did an extreme water change :S).

Once your tank is ready make sure you add your fish slowly....only a few at a time, let the bacteria in the filter adjust to thnew levels of ammonia (test the water when you add new fish), then you can add more.

As for the betta - their not really the best community fish and the tetra's might be quite nippy at them. You can't get something too big as your tank is quite small. You could get some interesting smaller fish though like a group of pygmy cory's, they would go nicely at the bottom of your tank as your tetras will be mostly in the middle and upper parts. Or possible a bamboo shrimp?
 
I left my tank for two weeks before adding any fish if that does any good, and for replacing water i have a bucket in which i put the tap water in and then leave it for between a few days to a week to allow some of the chemicals to evaporate.

Also i shouldnt be expecting any of my fish to breed should I?
 
I left my tank for two weeks before adding any fish if that does any good, and for replacing water i have a bucket in which i put the tap water in and then leave it for between a few days to a week to allow some of the chemicals to evaporate.

leaving the tank to just 'sit' won't promote the bacteria you need!

... Use a dechlorinator additive!... it not only removes chlorine but also other elements you don't want...

You really need those water test kits too...
 
Well. I gues leaving it for two weeks would have helped to establish a steady temperature. ;)

It still needs to cycle though. Do a bit of research on cycling. It helps to understand why and how if you understand the way the bacteria works etc. There are plenty of articles out there for begginners.

For now, go get a testing kit, and do a water change (and don't forget to treat for chlorine etc). Keep testing the water, any time the ammonia is too high do a water change. Your fish will suffer, but you've gotta try and get them through it without letting them go belly up. :(
 
Thanks for your help :)

I'll be off to the shop tomorrow to get the test kits and additives, i'll try and post the results aswel.
 
Also, most fish need a healthy/optimum environment to breed. So thats not something your going to need to worry about for a while.
 
I forgot about this

I have been putting Rena Dual Action Stress Zyme and Rena Stress Coat in at the required amounts.
 
I am afraid there is no direct connection between a fish being cheap in the shop and being easy to look after. All the low price of the neons reflects is that they are cheaply mass-produced in big fish farms in Singapore and elsewhere, not that this results in hardy fish that will be easy to look after. They are not in fact usually suitable for a new tank (though individual members have still had success with individual batches of strong fish). Black widows do have a reputation for being strong, but even they are going to have their stamina tested by their current circumstances.

Every fish, whatever its price, deserves to have its individual needs researched before purchase. I admit that shops often do not make you aware of this need, but fortunately there is a wealth of information on the internet these days.

Basically, you have added far too many fish to a new tank. If you cycle (=start up a new tank) with fish, you want something in the region of 1 inch of fish/5 gallons of water, that would be two black widows in your tank. After 4-6 weeks, once the ammonia and nitrites readings had returned to 0, you could then slowly have added more fish.

As it is, you are going to need to concentrate very hard on avoiding health damage to your current fish. Do as previous posters have advised, buy a liquid test kit and test every day for readings of ammonia and nitrites. Every time these go over 0.5 ppm, you need to do a partial water change of c. 20% (more if the reading is really high), replacing the water you take out with dechlorinated water. It will probably be some time before levels stabilise completely, and even then you are close to your full stocking levels.
 
Ok I went out today and bought a £20 testing kit and to help you i'm now going to post all the information i know about my tank.

Size : 24" x 12" x 13"
Capacity : 54Litre

Gravel base
Plastic plants

Rena Cal 50w Heater (Running @ 25 Celcius)
Rena Filstar Filter

Chemical Stuff :

pH Level - 7.8
Ammonia Level - 0.25 ppm mg/l
NitrIte Level - 0 ppm mg/l
NitrAte Level - 5.0 ppm mg/l

Fish :
5 Neon Tetra
3 Black Widow Tetra
 

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