Siamese Fighter05
Fish Herder
2-1 England for me
Statistics you want, statistics you get, name the last 2 international teams to win at Wembley before it was demolished?But whilst we're using the analogies like that, can you tell me (and I'll give you clues ) the result the last time England played Germany (it was a world cup qualifyer in Munich Sept 1 2001)? How about the time before that (Euro 2000)?
For that matter, how about the last time we played the new "favourites" for the world cup, Argentina (a friendly on 12th November 2005)? Or maybe the previous time (2002 World Cup)?
Don't statistics rock
Arfie
Terrible game, which was spoiled by the ref dishing way too many cards (warranted or otherwise), but at least Graham Poll is out of the limelight now after his shocker of a gameI'm really not sure you could argue with many of the cards the ref waved last night. Both sets of players totally lost control - look to them and their managers for the blame IMO.
Oh, and you'll still be going on about the 5-1 defeat of Germany in 40 years time, like your media monkeys do about the one and only time you won the world cup
Thats the difference between our 2 nations, we don't think it our divine right to win everything we enter.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying all of your fans are hooligans, but it seems to be a thing you can't get rid of. I know other countries have their hooligan elements too, Germany, Holland, Poland, Italy and Turkey have just as bad problems as England.
What is it going to take to stop it, banning you from taking part in intenational games and tournaments?
Thats the difference between our 2 nations, we don't think it our divine right to win everything we enter.
Scotland suck big time, we know we suck big time but we still support them and have a good party win, lose (usually) or draw!!
Here comes an off topic bit!!
How many Scottish/Irish/Welsh/Portugese/Brazilian/French/Japanese fans have you heard being arrested for causing trouble when following our national teams? Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying all of your fans are hooligans, but it seems to be a thing you can't get rid of. I know other countries have their hooligan elements too, Germany, Holland, Poland, Italy and Turkey have just as bad problems as England. You'll probably say theres provocation for the thugs behaviour, but I think the German authorities have been very lenient so far, they even let 2 fans off when they started the sieg heil salute thing, which is illegal in Germany, and still "fans" came back for more the next night.
"The English fans have been magnificent. If they were wearing Jock fright wigs and ill-fitting kilts or Celtic tops and tricolours we would be wishing the English could only be more like them."
Yeah maybe banning England fans from away games is the answer, but then the tens of thousands who aren't any problem get penalised. Still if they did ban us, there'd be one more place for Scotland to not get inWhat is it going to take to stop it, banning you from taking part in intenational games and tournaments?
Arfie,And of course lets not forget the "braveheart" fan who recently attacked a 7 year old boy playing football in the park with his dad wearing an England shirt, 7 years old and punched by a man in his 20's wearing a Rangers shirt . Or the courageous Scots who dragged a disabled man out of his car and gave him a beating for daring to have a St Georges cross on his car . You see, sometimes people from YOUR country do things which you are not proud, but should it relect on the whole country? I for one don't think all scottish fans are like this, in fact I KNOW it, I had a great time at Anfield with Celtic fans on a couple of occasions.
Arfie
Quite right and no implication otherwise mate, just highlighting the piont, it happens everywhere.Arfie,
Not one person I have spoken to wouldn't give the idiots who did that a good hiding, attacking people for wearing england tops/flying flags (or any other nationality) is just wrong.
It happends when we are in big tournaments and as we are in big tournaments regularly, it's the reason it happens regularly, your pretty much never in them, hence it can't happen But even being anti-English surely you have to admit, that English fans are now targetted by both opposition and police, entirely based on reputation. and for the record as at Saturday night: "There have been more than 4000 arrests so far but only 257 have been English." Granted that's now doubled, but puts it in perspective, if you take what we see on the TV, there's been no other arrests for other nationalities. also of 378 "detained" before the Ecuador game, only 3 are to be charged, many were preventative arrests, so not even doing anything wrong, just arrested "just in case" they did (good thing too).Your right, sometimes scottish people do things like this, unlike fans from YOUR country who do it regularly.
Me either it's ridiculous. My mates had to have their jackets dry cleaned after a night out in Glasgow to remove all the phlem where there is alchohol and large gatherings of morons from opposing "tribes" be they clubs or nations, this happens. But I don't tar all the Scots with the same brush, idiots are idiots regarless of place of birth.I have experienced it myself when visiting relatives in Colchester, with my wee boy and wife, just because someone heard my accent. I can see it from both sides, but I will never condone or accept it.
Would love to go, just not practical for me to.As for having a great time with the celtic fans, try going to an old firm match and you'll see a different side to them. As long as the "bigot brothers" are in Scottish football, there'll always be problems when they meet.
Arfie,But even being anti-English surely you have to admit, that English fans are now targetted by both opposition and police, entirely based on reputation. and for the record as at Saturday night: "There have been more than 4000 arrests so far but only 257 have been English." Granted that's now doubled, but puts it in perspective, if you take what we see on the TV, there's been no other arrests for other nationalities. also of 378 "detained" before the Ecuador game, only 3 are to be charged, many were preventative arrests, so not even doing anything wrong, just arrested "just in case" they did (good thing too).
Enjoy the rest of the World Cup, I guess you're a Portugal supporter now, must be difficult supporting 4 other teams so far and them all failing as well just like Scotland do Who do you support for the rest of the tournament IF England go out ? or do you also lose interest in it then ?
Arfie
There you go with your stats again I thought it was more like 700 English fans had been detained (so far)?
I'm not anti english, I just don't like the way the press stir up a frenzy of excitement before every game, and the worst thing about it is, people fall for it every time.
As for the World Cup, I am supporting Germany, as I usually do, because my wife is German and as you have so often pointed out, Scotland never qualified AGAIN!! I think whoever wins the game between Germany and Argentina will go on to lift the trophy.
I don't like the Portugese team, bunch of cheating diving bleeps, but the same can be said about a few teams, look at Thierry Henry tonight, the Italian player last night or Adriano earlier today. The sooner video evidence is brought into play, the better, even if its after the game has finished, Luis Figo should be banned for the next game against England at least, if not sent home in disgrace, as could a lot of other players.
I have to admit England seem to be playing fair mostly, apart from the Crouch goal where he had a handful of the defenders hair that is