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45 gallon fishless cycling

Discussion in 'Cycle your Tank' started by steelo, Nov 30, 2018.

  1. essjay

    essjay Member

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    No, they won't starve. The reason people using the older method add ammonia every time it drops to zero is that it used to be thought that the ammonia eaters would starve if they weren't fed every day.



    There is an old thread on fishless cycling http://www.fishforums.net/threads/clarification-on-the-fishless-cycle.420045/ The posts by TwoTankAmin (the member who wrote the fishless cycling method on here) are very informative.

     
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    Hello everyone,
    I don't know how to start my own thread or how this forum works.. So please don't hate
    I'm new to the freshwater fish tank world.. Not really sure the types of fish I have as I got the tank with the fish from a friend's.

    I think my platy might be pregnant but I only noticed today and she has been pooping a lot, at first the poop was orange and now it's changed to a darker colour. I have considered the fact that I could be over feeding but im sure I'm not...
    I have a 40l tank with about 14 fish in. My platy is black with a greenish glow to it so it's hard to see a spot (I read that I would see a spot that would indicate if it's pregnant).
    (deep breath) Anyways, can anyone maybe help me out with what could be wrong? I have attached a photo I hope it is clear enough.

    Thank you in advance and apologies if I'm in the wrong thread..
     

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  3. steelo

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    Probably very true...The ammonia seems to be dropping to 0 pretty rapidly (within a day or two) so I know that's a good sign. The last time I added a full dose was on Wednesday and by Friday, the ammonia was at 0 or very close to it. I waited it out Saturday but on Sunday, I confirmed a 0 ppm ammonia reading and added 1/3 the dose per the cycling guide.

    I will say though that this is much more encouraging than a few weeks ago when I was going on week 5 with absolutely nothing appearing to happen.
     
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    Okay, checked the nitrites tonight and they appear to still be out of control after about 1 week. So, I did a 50% water change and rechecked them...they STILL appear to be >5ppm. I don't know what to do at this point, I'll probably do another 50% water change tomorrow but should I hold off from adding ammonia for the time being? I am at the point in the guide where I added a 1/3 dose of ammonia as a snack, but I cannot go to the next step until nitrites are under 1 and they appear to be off the charts. Ammonia still appears to be at 0 for about 1 week. I've read that I can add prime to 'lock' the nitrites and give the nitrates a chance to catch up, but I'm nervous about doing that before getting advice.

    Thanks for all the help!
     
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    If it was me, I would do another big water change, and if the nitrite reading is then somewhere on the scale add a 1ppm dose of ammonia and continue testing every two days. The water changes are good practice for when you have fish in the tank ;)
     
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    Thanks! I did a 90% water change, retested and the nitrites are still around 5ppm...the API scale is VERY difficult to read. I am having a time trying to decipher whether it is 2ppm or 5ppm or somewhere in between...

    I still don't understand how they are still that high, is it possible that I stirred the bacteria up into the water from the plants/ornaments when I was dumping fresh water in? I also added a VERY tiny bit of ammonia, it should bring it up to .5-1ppm. I tested nitrates for the heck of it and they appear to be between 5-10ppm

    The water now is a bit cloudy, I think from the combination of dechlorinator and stirring everything up. Should I do another water change tomorrow if its still high or wait another week, testing every other day?
     
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    Did a 25% water change today and nitrites still 5ppm or higher. Should I continue doing daily water changes or just wait it out?
     
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    25% water changes are useless and don't dilute anything. If you are going to try and dilute something in the water then do a big water change (75% or more).

    If there are no fish in the tank then leave it for a bit.
     
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    Okay, I'll just wait it out I guess...Over the weekend, I changed at least a full tank through a few large and small water changes. Ammonia was at .5 ppm yesterday after adding about ~1 ppm on Saturday. I am HOPING that this will finally cycle in 1-2 weeks...I've started cycling the day after Thanksgiving so I'm getting pretty inpatient at this point. I don't know how much truth there is to this, but I've read from several sources that high nitrites don't 'stall' a cycle, it's when the ph crashes partially due to an acid they produce. I haven't checked the ph lately, but it always seems to be between 7-8.
     
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