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#1 bearfreeman

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Posted 06 January 2005 - 08:39 PM

Hi,

I have a Black Molly laying on the bottom of the tank, still swimming up for food but sinks down again.

I've added aquarium salt and swim bladder stuff.

Any ideas?

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Posted 06 January 2005 - 09:02 PM

usually when fish lie on the bottom its a water quality issue and this should be checked first before the swim bladder. need to know the size of tank, what and how many other tank mates, test results for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and ph

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Posted 06 January 2005 - 09:25 PM

True. Also, are there any other symptoms and what are your other fish acting like? Has there been any gasping at the surface? Try feeding a shelled pea rather than medicating just yet.

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Posted 06 January 2005 - 10:27 PM

Hi,

Tank is 180 litres [Juwell Rio I think] with undergravel filtering/air 'tubes'. 4 more Mollys all okay, 6 Tetras, 6 [Golden?] Minnows, 4 Orangey-ish [Plattys?], so just the one Molly at the bottom, no gasping at surface, all other fish okay, but lost 4 x [Cobra?] Guppies [blue-ish with yellow tail], only set tank up [ie ready stage] weekend before xmas, water quality ok then.

Thanks for any advice.

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Posted 06 January 2005 - 10:32 PM

If you have no scaless fish add some salt to the tank one tablespoon to 5 gal.

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Posted 06 January 2005 - 10:45 PM

The water quality would have been fine when the tank was first set up because it didn't have fish in it :P Is it cycled? Read through the links in my signature.

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Posted 07 January 2005 - 12:34 AM

sylivia is right, your tank is cycling and the more sensitive fish will feel the effects first. you must get test kits to see where your levels of ammonia and nitrite are.

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Posted 07 January 2005 - 05:48 AM

Hi all,

Just added pea. Will test water.

Thanks,

Edited by bearfreeman, 07 January 2005 - 06:53 AM.


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Posted 07 January 2005 - 12:44 PM

Nitrite = 0
Nitrate = between 50 & 100
gh = 16
kh = 10
ph= 7.2

Feeding with frozen food blocks [worms etc] but Molly not coming off bottom anymore

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Posted 07 January 2005 - 04:24 PM

Ammonia = 0

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Posted 07 January 2005 - 05:33 PM

Your nitrates want fetching down now as they tank has cycled you will need to do daily water changes, do a 30 to 40% change today.

#12 bearfreeman

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Posted 08 January 2005 - 04:19 PM

Ok, 30-ish% water change done with treated water, poorly Molly still on bottom but seems more animated - hope that's a good sign.....

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Posted 09 January 2005 - 02:48 PM

Hello,

Molly still on bottom, taking some food, all other fish okay. Should I test the water again after a partial change?

Cheers,

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Posted 10 January 2005 - 05:54 PM

Don't test the water till a couple of hours after the water change, or you will get a false reading.

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Posted 11 January 2005 - 04:35 PM

Hi,

These results from 'Tetratest 5 in 1 test strips'.

No3 between 50 & 100
No2 0
GH 16d
KH 20d
PH 8.4
Ammonia 0

Black Molly seems able to swim higher today, though still spending most of its time on the bottom - probably exhausted from exertions. Adding 3rd dose of swim bladder stuff Thursday 13th - all other fish still look okay.

How am I doing?

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Posted 11 January 2005 - 05:14 PM

What are your nitrates in your tap water, still need to fetch your nitrates down.

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Posted 12 January 2005 - 01:35 PM

Hi Wilder,

Tap water NitrAte is reading 50. Is this too high? If so what do I do to bring it down? Am I right in thinking live plants [rather than the plastic ones I have] will reduce the NitrAte?

Black Molly a little more animated today - swimming higher in the tank but still mostly resting on the bottom. Just noticed one of the Red Plattys has a stump of a tail rather than a fan like tail. It's swimming about okay, but could this be fin rot? :/ If so what's the best way forward?

Thanks very much for your much valued input. :cool:

Bear.

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Posted 12 January 2005 - 03:20 PM

Just saw one of the smaller minnows nipping the stumpy tail of the Red Platty, which seems to have its left side fin partly missing too.....

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Posted 12 January 2005 - 04:37 PM

If you have no scaless fish add some salt to the tank, and you will need anti internal bacteria med, 50 nitrates is not bad if you can't fetch it down any lower, live plants would help to fetch nitrates down, good luck.

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Posted 13 January 2005 - 04:26 PM

Black Molly swimming higher in tank today, time to add another dose of swim bladder stuff - BUT white fungus has appeared on Molly :no:

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Posted 13 January 2005 - 04:49 PM

That's a second infection i'm afraid the odd are even lower once this happens, as it's hard to cure them with a second infection just carry on with the treatemnt, and do a salt bath for the fungus, good luck.

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Posted 13 January 2005 - 07:27 PM

I am in the process of setting up a hospital tank for the sick Molly. Snag is; apparently the swim bladder stuff needs salt in water, but the fungus infection stuff doesn't go in salt water. Just added some more salt to make up for recent water changes. :thumbs:

Thanks for your advice.

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Posted 13 January 2005 - 08:36 PM

You could just give her salt baths instead of adding it to the tank.

#24 bearfreeman

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Posted 13 January 2005 - 10:12 PM

How long do I leave the Molly in a salt bath?

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Posted 13 January 2005 - 10:14 PM

Usually half an hour, but I would start with 5 minutes first to see how she goes, if she start acting weird and rolling take her out.

#26 bearfreeman

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Posted 14 January 2005 - 03:42 PM

As there's salt in the tank already, we're giving the Molly a 'fungus infection' bath instead. Not so good today, lying motionless on the bottom. :(

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Posted 14 January 2005 - 04:38 PM

Sorry to hear that once a second infection kicks in it's harder to get them better again.

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Posted 14 January 2005 - 06:23 PM

Just checked and Black Molly has gone to fishy heaven..... Such a shame - just when the swim bladder problem was getting better the fungus appeared.

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Posted 14 January 2005 - 08:40 PM

Sorry, a least you tryed very hard to save the fish, sorry for your loss.

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Posted 14 January 2005 - 11:13 PM

Yup. Thanks very much for your [and others] advice. I guess if it happens again, we'll have all the various medications in, rather than having to wait until the following day to get them, and allowing the problems to get more of a hold.

Cheers,

Bear.




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