MelaFix vs. BettaFix
Posted 14 September 2004 - 10:35 PM
Both medications have only one active ingredient - Melaleuca. This is the active compound in Tea Tree Oil. A little more about Tea Tree:
"The oil of the humble tea tree (Melaleuca alternifolia), one of the great survivors in Australia's harsh climate, is widely used as a medication, although there have been few proper clinical trials to confirm its efficacy.
The only place M.alternifolia occurs naturally is in a relatively small area of northern New South Wales. But there are already a number of plantations producing about 100 tonnes of tea tree oil annually, which is sold to companies that include it in a wide range of products - shampoos, hair conditioners, soap, cream, gel, lotions, even toothpaste. It is also included in liniments, foot balms, insect repellents and germicides.
University of Western Australia microbiologist Dr Tom Riley, and PhD student Christina Carson have found that the oil will kill many bacteria present in a number of common infections, including some of the staphylococcus and streptococcus bacteria. There are also unconfirmed reports that it is effective against cold sores and herpes. Like eucalyptus oil, tea tree oil should not be administered orally.
Dr Riley is confident that tea tree oil is effective as an antiseptic and disinfectant, useful for minor cuts and abrasions, and as it penetrates the skin it is effective for complaints such as acne. It is also believed to have been successfully employed in treating vaginal infections.
Tea tree oil has been used on a small scale as a medication ever since European settlement more than two centuries ago. Aborigines used it - in a non-processed form - as a treatment for headaches, other pain, colds and as an insect repellent."
From The Melaleuca Page.
MelaFix - MelaFix is 1.0% Melaleuca. It is the more concentrated, or stronger, of the two remedies.
BettaFix - BettaFix is 0.2% Melaleuca. It is less concentrated than Melafix, by 80%. This means for every one drop of Melafix, you would need 5 drops of BettaFix to get the same amount of Melaleuca.
Many people believe that MelaFix is harmful to bettas, and recommend using BettaFix. However, knowing what you now know, you can see that MelaFix and BettaFix are the same - you will simply need to dilute one drop of MelaFix into 4 drops of water in order to have the equivilent of one drop of BettaFix. Or, you can simply use one drop of Melafix in place of 5 drops of BettaFix!
Edited to add:
A note on PimaFix - PimaFix, By the makers of MelaFix and BettaFix, is not Melaleuca. The active ingredient in this natural antifungal/antibacterial medication is the active compound in Pimenta racemosa. In PimaFix, the concentration is 1.0% of this compound. Pimenta racemosa, or West Indian Bay, is a member of the Myrtle family. It has been used as an herbal remedy for ages, for things such as rheumatism, muscle pain, neuralgia, dental infections, diarrhea, skin infections, colds & flu, and poor circulation.
PimaFix is a natural botanical remedy made from Pimenta racemosa Pimenta racemosa (West Indian Bay) oil, providing unique active compounds, which harmoniously work together to attack fish diseases. The active compounds found in Pimenta racemosa not only provide many different modes of action, but also eliminate the possibility of the development of resistant strains of disease-causing organisms. Until now, most antifungal medications resulted in unsightly water discoloration throughout the course of therapy.
PimaFix does not have this disadvantage, providing better viewing of fish during treatment. Treating with PimaFix will not harm the biological filter in freshwater or saltwater aquariums or ponds. PimaFix has no effect on pH. PimaFix is harmless to aquatic plants.
In extreme cases of especially stubborn infections, PimaFix has been designed to work synergistically with MelaFix. Using PimaFix and MelaFix together provides the added benefit of quick tissue regeneration and wound healing
From Company's Website.
I have never used PimaFix, so I do not know if it is safe for bettas. (Edited to add - I have since purchased some PimaFix, and treated some lethargic bettas with it as a general tonic. I used it at about half strength, and eveyone was fine. This is not to say that it is absolutely safe for bettas - just thought I'd update on my experience with it so far.)
Posted 14 September 2004 - 10:47 PM
Posted 14 September 2004 - 11:49 PM
Posted 14 September 2004 - 11:55 PM
Either im just very lucky or the dosage info is different on the boxes over here! lol
Posted 15 September 2004 - 12:01 AM
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Posted 15 September 2004 - 05:38 AM
Posted 15 September 2004 - 07:50 AM
This should be pinned
Posted 15 September 2004 - 12:34 PM
Posted 15 September 2004 - 12:45 PM
PS..don't mistake Bettafix with Bettamax. Two entirely different things. Bettamax is a med, while Bettafix is not.
Posted 15 September 2004 - 03:33 PM
This is true. Although we have some young users on the board, who may not yet be fully used to taking fractions or percentages of things, so I figured I would make it easier on them. But I'll mention that in the original post...
I don't think everyone has a understanding of this. If you look at the directions for both, you only put in a portion of the amount of melafix compared to Bettafix, because the melafix is more concentrated. Don't dilute the melafix. It just takes less.
Posted 21 September 2004 - 02:39 AM
Thanks for the explanation. It was both interesting and informative.
It's been my experience that MelaFix can be very effective in curing bacterial infections.............or not. From what I have seen, if it's going to work it will result in a dramatic change for the better within just a few days time. If no benefit is evident in that time, it's usually best to move to something more potent. I now keep tea tree oil as a first line of defense, along with a hefty water change, whenever I think I see anything amiss. I'm pretty sure that I've headed off some problems this way.
Instead of using MelaFix, I mix my own which I call Melafake. To make it, mix 1/4 tsp. 100% pure tea tree oil with 8 TBS. dechlorinated water. Shake very well and use it as you would MelaFix. Shake well again before each use.
Pure tea tree oil is a very light, thin substance which will mix with water, if well shaken. When Melafake is added to water intended for use as part of a water change the force of the water coming out of the tap will further agitate it and mix it with the water. It will then mix with the tank water the same way MelaFix does.
Pure tea tree oil costs me $6.95 for 1 fl. oz. at the health food store. Compare the price of making your own with the price of MelaFix and you will see that there can be a tremendous savings.
Posted 21 September 2004 - 02:45 AM
Posted 21 September 2004 - 03:09 AM
Posted 21 September 2004 - 04:53 AM
great tip, Inchie! The added benifit of your way is that you can then use it for yourself, too. A little tea tree in lotion is great for dry skin, and it's a super antiseptic.
That's a very good thing to know with winter coming on.
Actually, I just like to open the bottle and smell it. Ummmmm )
Posted 18 October 2004 - 09:18 PM
Posted 18 October 2004 - 10:10 PM
Posted 19 October 2004 - 03:10 AM
As for melafix and pimafix, whoever said they're only really effective on lighter illnesses was right - with the serious infections, you need something stronger. In fact, I would say Melafix and Pimafix are more effective at *preventing* sickness ... so ... adding a dose to the water whenever you do a big water change, or move the tank, that kind of thing. In the cases where my betta has been VERY sick I've used triple sulfa, which REALLY works well.
I've come to the conclusion my betta LIKES being sick because it seems that every 2 months I'm rescuing him, even though his tank conditions are perfect, and he even has a 10 gallon all to himself The drug $ I'm spending on him is starting to pile up ...
Posted 19 October 2004 - 05:00 AM
All 3 of my bettas are "fish store bettas", all had finrot when I got them. Someone suggested Melafix when I got my first one for the finrot. It seemed to help at first, then nothing. I used it at 1/2 strength, but! I never knew you were supposed to change the water between dosing. So I was dosing my poor boy everyday! He's still with me, thank God. I hadn't even thought it would be accumulating in the water! Well I guess he lived up to his name- Bruiser. He's got to be tough to live through what I did to him!
Posted 19 October 2004 - 06:10 AM
I never knew you were supposed to change the water between dosing. So I was dosing my poor boy everyday!
According to the back of the Bettafix bottle I got at Big Al's last week, "...repeat dose daily for up to 7 days before making a water change" ... is this insane???
I am presently using it in tandem with aquarisol and add it as a preventative to each batch of water I prepare, but I can't believe the manufacturer would go so far as to tell u to dose the water repeatedly before changing it. Imagine the dose getting up to 7x strength and then changing it down to nothing again? Poor fishies
Posted 19 October 2004 - 07:07 AM
...According to the back of the Bettafix bottle I got at Big Al's last week, "...repeat dose daily for up to 7 days before making a water change" ... is this insane???
Personally, I think you are right. I would never follow these directions and I never advise anyone else to do it either.
One of the most important things when treating fish with bacterial infections is to keep the water clean and fresh. Water changes are essential. So is keeping the temperature low (no higher than 75 F.) and having good aeration. MelaFix is nothing more than a mild anti bacterial agent and, while it might sometimes do the job, it is not a magic cure all. If used in strong concentrations it can burn a fish and so do more harm than good.
Usually, I recommend that people use it for a few days and if it doesn't help, switch to an antibiotic or other preparation made to treat bacterial infections. There is, however, another treatment that I have found to be effective used in combination with MelaFix. That is plain old fashioned salt baths.
By this I do not mean putting salt in the water and leaving it there. I mean using concentrated salt baths for short periods of time. To do this, I use 1 tsp of salt dissolved in one cup of tank water. Put the fish in for 10 to 15 minutes and return to the tank that has had MelaFix added. You can do this up to 4 or 5 times a day if necessary. If the fish looses consciousness and rolls over, return it to the tank immediately.
What happens is that the salt eats away the bacteria and when it is returned to the treated tank, the MelaFix slows its growth and allows the fish to begin healing.
I've used this treatment with both corys and bettas, and I assure you, it does work.
Posted 19 October 2004 - 07:53 AM
Since they are botanic extracts (like Aloe vera and Terminalia catappa a.k.a. Ketapang Leaf), they probably will not eliminate bacteria or fungus the way conventional chemical-based antibacterial and antifungal medications would.
My guess is that they act by promoting homeostasis; helping the fish to boost its natural resistance to diseases, as well as to recover from illnesses and injuries.
Consider using Melafix and PimaFix for milder conditions (e.g. fin tear, early stages of Mouth Rot and Fin Rot).
For more severe infections, Myxazin can be considered. However, the 5 day course should be completed.
A member of the BCS (Betta Club Singapore) Forum once described Melafix, PimaFix and Myxazin as the "holy trinity" of fish medicine. I can't agree with her more.
Clean water, early detection of disease and prompt treatment will improve the prognosis of fish disease.
Posted 20 October 2004 - 06:57 AM
I've heard very good things about Myxazin and it's one of the products I recommend to members in the UK. Unfortunately, I don't think it's available in the US. I've never seen it at any of the stores I go to anyway.
If anyone in the US has seen it in their stores, please let me know and I will suggest it as treatment for members here too.
Posted 20 October 2004 - 11:34 AM
I use Stresscoat to treat my water. I have used it for as long as I have had fish. I get a gal jug for about 36.00..I always order several things, so the shipping is spread around. My savings usually covers the shipping and I still save money over the lps.
Posted 22 February 2005 - 07:06 PM
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Posted 22 February 2005 - 07:32 PM
Posted 19 March 2005 - 12:33 AM
grrrrh! i've been dosing every day since my boys got into a fight, but not doing changes. stupid manufacturer's instructions! i hope i haven't made them worse. but, from now on i will do 100% water changes then add in the melafix.
You do a 100% water change daily and re-apply the melafix at the normal dose. This way, you have clean water, and the proper dose of melafix.
anyone know how long i can continue adding in melafix for my boys' fins? the instructions say 7 days, but i'm wondering if it's ok to continue longer until i see some serious regrowth of their fins. i've also been salt dipping them nightly for 30 mins each.
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