17 replies to this topic

[dude the 4th]

Could my blaty batch of fry mate when they are older and produce inbread fry? If so then plz tell me how i would stop it. I have asked this question before but it just gets ignored.

[Peter C]

The more you spam the less likely someone will answer you lol

But iv just asked a similar question!

[wirralbull]

seperate the sexes. and yes they will breed with mothers fathers brother and sisterd

[Alm0stAwesome]

You posted them 18 minutes apart!

[dude the 4th]

seperate the sexes. and yes they will breed with mothers fathers brother and sisterd

Will that harm the fry they produce?

You posted them 18 minutes apart!

Only because the others got litteraly No views.

[Alm0stAwesome]

You're asking for help from others, be patient.

The view counter isn't accurate to the second.

[dude the 4th]

You're asking for help from others, be patient.

The view counter isn't accurate to the second.

They still have no views.

[Alm0stAwesome]

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I give up.

Edited by Alm0stAwesome, 27 July 2012 - 06:12 PM.

[MBOU]

Yes they will inbreed
No you cant stop them
You will need to rehome the babies.

Simples...

[dude the 4th]

Yes they will inbreed
No you cant stop them
You will need to rehome the babies.

Simples...

I am planning to rehome some of the babies, thank you.

[justin85]

Sell the fry, keep the breeding pair. Simple.

[dude the 4th]

Sell the fry, keep the breeding pair. Simple.

If a male fry mated with its mother would the fry that get produced be deformed aswell?

[justin85]

Sell the fry, keep the breeding pair. Simple.

If a male fry mated with its mother would the fry that get produced be deformed aswell?

There is a chance of that yes, I am no export on breeding to say the least, but I'm guessing it all comes down to the breeding pair, and defects they might have or diseases will get passed on to the fry. I have bred discus before for about a year and I would always sell the fry once they was old enough. If I wanted to cross breed I would go out and try and buy/find more breeding adult discus then cross breed the fry from each of my pairs.

Edited by justin85, 27 July 2012 - 07:06 PM.

[helterskelter]

All the fancy coloured livebearers have been produced by breeding brother to sisiter, father to daughter and mother and son.
If they were not done then you would not see the colour full fish we have now, they would be drab greeny gray fish with just a little colour.

They will all breed together and will produce healthy fry. If you do get a deformed fish, remove it, so it dose not breed back to the others and add poor gene's which increse the odd of deformed fish in the feature.

Guppies have been in breed for the last 110 years (Still going strong), Platies and swordtails for more like the last 60-70 years.

Best thing you can do to reduce problems is every year add a couple of new males so new blood in introduced to the colony now and then.

[dude the 4th]

Sell the fry, keep the breeding pair. Simple.

If a male fry mated with its mother would the fry that get produced be deformed aswell?

There is a chance of that yes, I am no export on breeding to say the least, but I'm guessing it all comes down to the breeding pair, and defects they might have or diseases will get passed on to the fry. I have bred discus before for about a year and I would always sell the fry once they was old enough. If I wanted to cross breed I would go out and try and buy/find more breeding adult discus then cross breed the fry from each of my pairs.

But cant that cause imune system dificiencys and other problems? my plan is to sell all the females and every time i sell them buy more females to introduce new blood.

All the fancy coloured livebearers have been produced by breeding brother to sisiter, father to daughter and mother and son.
If they were not done then you would not see the colour full fish we have now, they would be drab greeny gray fish with just a little colour.

They will all breed together and will produce healthy fry. If you do get a deformed fish, remove it, so it dose not breed back to the others and add poor gene's which increse the odd of deformed fish in the feature.

Guppies have been in breed for the last 110 years (Still going strong), Platies and swordtails for more like the last 60-70 years.

Best thing you can do to reduce problems is every year add a couple of new males so new blood in introduced to the colony now and then.

But cant that cause imune system dificiencys and other problems? my plan is to sell all the females and every time i sell them buy more females to introduce new blood.

[fish48]

there are so many myths about inbreeding
inbreed fish can be breed for for many years with out new blood introduced all of my Livebearers are kept and breed this way it is very rare thet i get
sick or deformed fish i have guppy's inbreed for 20 years and many other types of Livebearers
ranging up to 15 years. i have been breeding Livebearers for more then 30 years with out new blood introduced to any of them . when or if i get a deformed fry/ its discard it's not wanted.

[OldMan47]

HelterSkelter, that is no way to talk about my fish. I really love my wilds.

You are right though. Inbreeding is the way that all fancy aquarium fish are developed. In order to avoid damage, selection is made based on not only color patterns and shapes but fish health. If you don't include fish health in the equation, inbreeding can cause very negative results. If you cull regularly based on health and vigor, the genetics of the remaining fish improve constantly.

Dude, forget your prejudices. Inbred fish are all that you will ever find at your local fish shop. Nobody at the fish farm goes out and removes all females in a 10 acre pond so that they can introduce a few thousand new females to avoid inbreeding. They remove adults from ponds with well established lineages to sell and leave everything else behind to grow bigger and breed. At that point the fish are all inbred. If they find something wrong, they remove, cull, the individuals that are not up to standards. If it is carried out properly, you will have stronger and more vigorous fish than you find in the wild. If done poorly, you will indeed have too many defectives.

[Tolak]

The lower the life form, the less of an effect inbreeding has. All the nitrifying bacteria in your bio filter are inbred, and do quite well. With fish, or bacteria there is no comparison to the complexity of a human, which I think you are trying to compare this to. The difference in complexity is like comparing your lawn mower to a Lear jet.