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[tropicallover]

20 Gallon
Tropical

-4 Mollies
-1 Dwarf Gourami
- 1 Betta
- 3 Red Wag Platys
-1 Cory Catfish
- 2 Golden Mystery Snails

[Dieses Madchen]

I wouldnt say overstaocked, but there are potential for future issues. Even if it is not relative to stocking size. I dont want to go off topic but if would like me to elaborate, let me know

[Man of fish]

What type of filter do you have? And yes there is some potential problems in there.

[tropicallover]

Feel free to elaborate Im up for ideas...I am going to add 2 more corys tomorrow.

[Dieses Madchen]

OKay, generally, Betta and Gouramis in the same tank can lead to disaster. While some people have been successful keeping them together, generally there will be aggression. Good to see you are adding some cories. They do however, prefer shoals of 6 or more, whihc you could do easily in a 20g. As far as your livebearers, what are the sexes?

[Man of fish]

First mollys can grow to 4 inches and really need 30 gallons minimum
It's not suggested to have a gourami and betta together because they both are top-dwelling and the betta may mix up the gourami for another male betta and may injure it.
Platys ok
Corys are very social fish doing much better in groups of 6+ and you'll see their true behavior more in that group size.

Edited by Man of fish, 04 March 2012 - 10:19 PM.

[Fishy friend2]

20 Gallon
Tropical

-4 Mollies mollies ideally should be in hard alkaline water tanks that are large and have fish of similar size, They arent good choices for you tank as they get 4 inches long and chunky meaning that youll have to do repetitive water changes to keep the water conditions in the optimal range for the fish . And if you have softer water then they won't last as long and will get sicker easily due to stress, leading to a lowered immune system
-1 Dwarf Gourami dwarf gouramis are very fragile fish due to massive amounts of inbreeding leading to Dwarf gourami disease, and with the betta constantly pestering it, it has a very high chance of being succeptable to this, and many other diseases they also aren't compatible with bettas, because they are both labyrinth fish, meaning that they breath air so a mostly found in the upper layers in the tank, once they see eachother they will most likely begin to show aggressiveness, so you should take it or the Betta back, and also, you said that you'll out the Betta in the bowl if it is still flaring. A bowl is not sufficient, I recommend a tank of ATLEAST 2.5 gallons, but preferably about 5 gallons
- 1 Betta bettas are very aggresive fish and shouldn't be placed with gouramis and full grown colorful mollies, you said in your other thread that it was flaring at the gouram. Thats a by bad sign, becuase it shows that he is aggresive towards the fish, and is being stressed by flaring too much
- 3 Red Wag Platys These fish are okay, just make sure that they aren't colorful as the Betta might see them as a threat like he did towards the gourami, I just have one thing to say. If you have makes and females then you might get an over populated tank with multiple platies. As long as you rehome the babies then it should all go well.
-1 Cory Catfishdo you know what type it is? If it is emerald cories, or one of the othe larger species then you can't support a full school of them and I recommend that you replace them, also what do you feed them? Just flakes?
- 2 Golden Mystery Snailswhat do you feed them? They should be okay, but just make sure that you supplement there diet as most people don't feed them and they end up Dieing without the owner knowing, then cause a large ammonia spike resulting in multipe deaths within the tank

Good luck!

Edited by Fishy friend2, 04 March 2012 - 10:39 PM.

[tropicallover]

The Cories are Emerald Cories.

I feed the Snails plants and algae and food along with catfish food.

I am pretty sure the livebearers are males. Petsmart sells them and im pretty sure they only sell males.

I am attached to my gourami and betta so i will try to get a seperate paradise for my betta.

Thanks!

[Dieses Madchen]

Google search sexing livebearers. It will help you learn how to tell the difference between the female anal fin and the male. Basically the females anal fin looks like a fin. The males look like a "pole" for lack of better term. And petsmart actually sells both male and female.

If you have males and female, you want the male to female ratio of be 1 male to every 2 females.

20 Gallon
Tropical

-4 Mollies mollies ideally should be in hard alkaline water tanks that are large and have fish of similar size, They arent good choices for you tank as they get 4 inches long and chunky meaning that youll have to do repetitive water changes to keep the water conditions in the optimal range for the fish . And if you have softer water then they won't last as long and will get sicker easily due to stress, leading to a lowered immune system
-1 Dwarf Gourami dwarf gouramis are very fragile fish due to massive amounts of inbreeding leading to Dwarf gourami disease, and with the betta constantly pestering it, it has a very high chance of being succeptable to this, and many other diseases they also aren't compatible with bettas, because they are both labyrinth fish, meaning that they breath air so a mostly found in the upper layers in the tank, once they see eachother they will most likely begin to show aggressiveness, so you should take it or the Betta back, and also, you said that you'll out the Betta in the bowl if it is still flaring. A bowl is not sufficient, I recommend a tank of ATLEAST 2.5 gallons, but preferably about 5 gallons
- 1 Betta bettas are very aggresive fish and shouldn't be placed with gouramis and full grown colorful mollies, you said in your other thread that it was flaring at the gouram. Thats a by bad sign, becuase it shows that he is aggresive towards the fish, and is being stressed by flaring too much
- 3 Red Wag Platys These fish are okay, just make sure that they aren't colorful as the Betta might see them as a threat like he did towards the gourami, I just have one thing to say. If you have makes and females then you might get an over populated tank with multiple platies. As long as you rehome the babies then it should all go well.
-1 Cory Catfishdo you know what type it is? If it is emerald cories, or one of the othe larger species then you can't support a full school of them and I recommend that you replace them, also what do you feed them? Just flakes?
- 2 Golden Mystery Snailswhat do you feed them? They should be okay, but just make sure that you supplement there diet as most people don't feed them and they end up Dieing without the owner knowing, then cause a large ammonia spike resulting in multipe deaths within the tank

Whoa!! Keep it simple! Lets not go on an informaation overload!!

[Fishy friend2]

The cories do get too big to support a full, proper school of atleast 6 of them. I'm afraid. You should probably take them back mate
I've attached a link with gender determination
http://www.fishforum...-determination/

Edited by Fishy friend2, 04 March 2012 - 10:45 PM.

[MegaZerino]

what type of dwarf gourami is it??

[tropicallover]

Its just a Dwarf Gourami (Its Blue)

[Fishy friend2]

I think that there is only one type of DG mate (Trichogaster lalius) there are many different color variations though. But still none of the variations I have seen would be near compatible with bettas

Google search sexing livebearers. It will help you learn how to tell the difference between the female anal fin and the male. Basically the females anal fin looks like a fin. The males look like a "pole" for lack of better term. And petsmart actually sells both male and female.

If you have males and female, you want the male to female ratio of be 1 male to every 2 females.

20 Gallon
Tropical

-4 Mollies mollies ideally should be in hard alkaline water tanks that are large and have fish of similar size, They arent good choices for you tank as they get 4 inches long and chunky meaning that youll have to do repetitive water changes to keep the water conditions in the optimal range for the fish . And if you have softer water then they won't last as long and will get sicker easily due to stress, leading to a lowered immune system
-1 Dwarf Gourami dwarf gouramis are very fragile fish due to massive amounts of inbreeding leading to Dwarf gourami disease, and with the betta constantly pestering it, it has a very high chance of being succeptable to this, and many other diseases they also aren't compatible with bettas, because they are both labyrinth fish, meaning that they breath air so a mostly found in the upper layers in the tank, once they see eachother they will most likely begin to show aggressiveness, so you should take it or the Betta back, and also, you said that you'll out the Betta in the bowl if it is still flaring. A bowl is not sufficient, I recommend a tank of ATLEAST 2.5 gallons, but preferably about 5 gallons
- 1 Betta bettas are very aggresive fish and shouldn't be placed with gouramis and full grown colorful mollies, you said in your other thread that it was flaring at the gouram. Thats a by bad sign, becuase it shows that he is aggresive towards the fish, and is being stressed by flaring too much
- 3 Red Wag Platys These fish are okay, just make sure that they aren't colorful as the Betta might see them as a threat like he did towards the gourami, I just have one thing to say. If you have makes and females then you might get an over populated tank with multiple platies. As long as you rehome the babies then it should all go well.
-1 Cory Catfishdo you know what type it is? If it is emerald cories, or one of the othe larger species then you can't support a full school of them and I recommend that you replace them, also what do you feed them? Just flakes?
- 2 Golden Mystery Snailswhat do you feed them? They should be okay, but just make sure that you supplement there diet as most people don't feed them and they end up Dieing without the owner knowing, then cause a large ammonia spike resulting in multipe deaths within the tank

Whoa!! Keep it simple! Lets not go on an informaation overload!!

LOL! I just had too. Lol

Edited by Fishy friend2, 04 March 2012 - 10:50 PM.

[Dieses Madchen]

Fishy friend is on the right track about the emerald cories. A suggestion would be to take the one emerald back, and swing for a shoal of albinos, bronzes, or other cory of similar size. I definitely do not want you to miss out of the experience of owning cories. I have 14 myself.

[Fishy friend2]

May I suggest one more Cory that I have seen at petsmart before. Corydoras trilineatus Is a very pretty one

Edited by Fishy friend2, 04 March 2012 - 10:57 PM.

[MegaZerino]

[quote name='Fishy friend2' timestamp='1330901428' post='3274929']
I think that there is only one type of DG mate (Trichogaster lalius) there are many different color variations though. But still none of the variations I have seen would be near compatible with bettas

mine is a red flame and is currently in with my male and a few females (which will be going back to the shop when everything gets moved to my 125litre on saturday)

i was just wondering because apart from mine i have yet to find another DG that is compatable

Edited by MegaZerino, 04 March 2012 - 11:00 PM.

[Fishy friend2]

It doesn't mean that the OP is in the same situation mate. Just because you have a red one and it's fine with your males and females doesn't mean that it'll be okay with the OP's Betta, also of you think about it. Your male is fine with females which isn't expected so you can infer that it is very passing of other fish, meaning that it'll be okay with a broader range of fish compared to an average tempered betta

[MegaZerino]

i was just wondering if it was because the red flame is very plain compared to other gouramis so thats why the male doesnt feel he's a threat, but seeing as its a different type of DG it cant be

[Fishy friend2]

I don't think that color has anything to do with it, and I already explained that you make will accept females which is very uncommon, if it will accept female Bettas then it is most likely to accept male DG's, once again color has nothing to do with it in this situation

[MegaZerino]

i thought that colour was the main factor in the situation. Males dont like other males because theyre terretorial and they defend this with colour, which is one of the reasons that guppys and bettas dont go well together either