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#1 Tolak

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 02:07 PM

If a post or topic seems to be a bit out of line, please hit the report button and click away from the topic. In the past members have decided to take it upon themselves to determine if a topic, post or member is trolling. This will often include posting correspondence on the questionable topic or post, which can draw a normally well behaved and valued forum member into a situation that edges on breaking forum rules. The Moderating Team doesn’t like to see this happen.

Another situation that occurs is a less than knowledgeable, and often newer aquarist will join, and post something questionable, which is usually information handed down from someone they know, or a shop that is more concerned about profit than the welfare of animals. These sort of situations will often appear questionable, when it is actually poor information or a lack of information given to the fishkeeper.

The Moderating Team has seen numerous instances of both of these, over many years spent moderating the forum, and is well versed in making a determination on questionable topics or posts. This being the case, please just click the report button on anything questionable, and let the Moderating Team put their experience to work sorting out the issue.

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 02:26 PM

And then also,.....if I may add to the list (while we're busy)..... double posting of the same topic in 2 different sections..... Expect one of the 2 to be removed.... we have sooooo many areas to cater for your specific need, choose the right section to post your topic in.... if we find a double post..... be aware that one of them will be removed....

#3 Tolak

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 02:41 PM

This has been a long standing policy here at TFF, so I posted this to make members aware of the situation.

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 06:26 PM

And then also,.....if I may add to the list (while we're busy)..... double posting of the same topic in 2 different sections..... Expect one of the 2 to be removed.... we have sooooo many areas to cater for your specific need, choose the right section to post your topic in.... if we find a double post..... be aware that one of them will be removed....



If the moderators and admin are so busy wouldn't the answer be to have more moderators to help out? I have noticed a few mods say that they can not look at every topic, which is totally understandable, so why not increase the numbers of mods to deal with issues? A recent influx of retiree's from the mod team has been replaced by one, Caz. So either she has alot on her plate to now deal with or things are being missed?

Edited by minnnt, 18 December 2011 - 06:27 PM.


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Posted 18 December 2011 - 06:31 PM


And then also,.....if I may add to the list (while we're busy)..... double posting of the same topic in 2 different sections..... Expect one of the 2 to be removed.... we have sooooo many areas to cater for your specific need, choose the right section to post your topic in.... if we find a double post..... be aware that one of them will be removed....



If the moderators and admin are so busy wouldn't the answer be to have more moderators to help out? I have noticed a few mods say that they can not look at every topic, which is totally understandable, so why not increase the numbers of mods to deal with issues? A recent influx of retiree's from the mod team has been replaced by one, Caz. So either she has alot on her plate to now deal with or things are being missed?


Is that a hint Minnnt. :lol: :lol:

But do totally agree with you! :good:

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 06:50 PM

Lol, not necessarily me, i don't believe i know enough tbf, but other members such as KittyKat, Fluttermoth, StandBySetting and Fishguy do.

Although in my defence i do spend a hell of a lot of time on here. lol. :D

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 06:57 PM

The recent retirees have been inactive for quite some time. We have had more than one mod appointed in the time period many have been inactive.

Looking over spam posts from the last 10 days the average time visible is just under 20 minutes. Longest was 34 minutes, shortest was 2 minutes. Few forums meet or beat that.

New moderators is an ongoing topic, as it has been for many years. The mod team in place now has no problem working the forum as it stands, consistency in procedures works much better than throwing more people in the mix with no attention paid to the structure or organization behind it. This topic is designed to help the members much more than the mods, or I would not be requesting that members let the mods do the job they are here to do.

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 07:02 PM

Lol, not necessarily me, i don't believe i know enough tbf, but other members such as KittyKat, Fluttermoth, StandBySetting and Fishguy do.

Although in my defence i do spend a hell of a lot of time on here. lol. :D


To be fair to you Minnnt, and to the mods team, the skill of modding doesn't necessarily require massively advanced fishkeeping lore. What it does require is a diplomatic tone and a large dose of common sense. You need to know the subject but you don't always have to be a guru.

Sadly common sense isn't all that common, nor are those other skills.

We seem to be blessed here with mods who have these qualities and know their subject well.

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 07:24 PM

It's not just spam posts that blight this forum though. Infact i have hardly seen any tbh, i thought it was quite good for that actually. I don't understand what harm a few extra mods would do? Surely it would make for a better run forum and ease the load on the current mods? You yourself have admitted that you were moderating whilst doing other things (sorting out 10 million Angels or what ever it was, lol.)

You are relying on members to report posts inappropriate but then saying you have enough mods to look after the site...

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 07:27 PM

Agree i have been debating leaving this forum of late just due to the amount hostilely on allot post, don't get me wrong the forum wont miss in that respect but talking to others its seems im not alone on this one. Keeping old members is a good thing but for a forum to be successful we need welcome fresh blood and experience. At risk of saying it i feel there a few double standards for some members and not others..

my 2p worth

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 07:45 PM

I'm asking members to not interact in any topics or posts that may be considered trolling or otherwise a violation of forum rules. This is to the benefit of the members, not the moderators. If there were a deficit in moderators something would be done about it.

I have yet to see any decent forum software that does not include some sort of report system. You will never have every moderator on every topic or post unless you had one mod per member. Software designers realize this, thus include a report system. This is similar to your local police department, an issue is brought to their attention, they deal with it.

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Posted 19 December 2011 - 04:44 AM

I don't understand what harm a few extra mods would do?


1) It isn't just as easy as simply 'promoting' people. They have to be a good fit with the group that already exists

2) and ever hear the expression 'too many cooks spoil the soup'? I think it is applicable here.

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Posted 19 December 2011 - 06:06 AM

Ok

Edited by minnnt, 19 December 2011 - 06:38 AM.


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Posted 19 December 2011 - 02:48 PM

Let's make everyone mods, and then have a supreme moderator that oversee's the moderator battles.... Only the fast clicking will survive...

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 09:48 AM


I don't understand what harm a few extra mods would do?


1) It isn't just as easy as simply 'promoting' people. They have to be a good fit with the group that already exists

2) and ever hear the expression 'too many cooks spoil the soup'? I think it is applicable here.



I dont think number 2 is really applicable here really, seeing a mod post is a little bit of a rare occurance, they soon rear their heads when people question the running of the forum though. ;)

Edited by Tizer, 09 January 2012 - 09:48 AM.


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Posted 09 January 2012 - 10:17 AM

Have to agree with Minnnt. A few more mods wouldn't do any harm I believe.
As for the original request, aye, I can keep my mouth shut and click the report button. :good:

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 05:39 PM

I have to agree with minnnt too. A few more mods would make life a little easier for the existing ones, and possibly improve the very fast response times that Tolak has alluded to. I can only see that as an improvement to what is already a great and well run forum. But hey ho minnnt, "ours is not to reason why...." lol :)

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 06:27 PM



I don't understand what harm a few extra mods would do?


1) It isn't just as easy as simply 'promoting' people. They have to be a good fit with the group that already exists

2) and ever hear the expression 'too many cooks spoil the soup'? I think it is applicable here.



I dont think number 2 is really applicable here really, seeing a mod post is a little bit of a rare occurance, they soon rear their heads when people question the running of the forum though. ;)

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 06:35 PM

I dont think number 2 is really applicable here really, seeing a mod post is a little bit of a rare occurance, they soon rear their heads when people question the running of the forum though. ;)




good one Tizer, that's the way forward. There are plenty of mod posts if you bother to read the forum properly.

my advice would be look at the bottom of your screen every now and again and you'll always see a mod on duty.

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 06:39 PM

:/


I dont think number 2 is really applicable here really, seeing a mod post is a little bit of a rare occurance, they soon rear their heads when people question the running of the forum though. ;)




good one Tizer, that's the way forward. There are plenty of mod posts if you bother to read the forum properly.

my advice would be look at the bottom of your screen every now and again and you'll always see a mod on duty.

Bit harsh?:/ he has got 3500+ posts, so he must "bother to read the forum properly":huh:

Edited by Noahs ark6, 09 January 2012 - 06:41 PM.


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Posted 09 January 2012 - 06:42 PM

I can't fault the moderating team, get off their backs, they do a great job and without them we wouldn't have a forum. If you see something untoward then report it- simple. I rarely see a time where there is not a moderator online.

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 06:45 PM

bit harsh??

saying a mods post is a rare occurrence is a little harsh as well. A large post count means nothing really. Have a look in the marine section, the planted section, and other specialist sections, there are plenty of mod posts. Just because we are not all posting in the Tropical chit chat, it doesn't mean the mods don't post.

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 06:51 PM

I can't fault the moderating team, get off their backs, they do a great job and without them we wouldn't have a forum. If you see something untoward then report it- simple. I rarely see a time where there is not a moderator online.

i to have never not seen at least one moderator online. But just because they are online doesn't necessarily mean they are being pro-active

Edited by Noahs ark6, 12 January 2012 - 10:46 PM.


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Posted 09 January 2012 - 06:54 PM

Noahs ark6, if you have a problem with the moderating team, please drop one of us a PM and we can discuss the problems you have.

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 06:55 PM

bit harsh??

saying a mods post is a rare occurrence is a little harsh as well. A large post count means nothing really. Have a look in the marine section, the planted section, and other specialist sections, there are plenty of mod posts. Just because we are not all posting in the Tropical chit chat, it doesn't mean the mods don't post.

If thats the case, then maybe more moderators need to post in that section, because it seems one of the most frequently posted in section

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 06:59 PM

I have found the mods have offered some of the most helpful responses to my (many as a newbie) questions. So its a thumbs up for the mods team from me. I am surprised at some of the comments about them to be honest. I have been on some forums where the mods were so apparent and dictatorial in their approach it felt like living in the third reich or something, but I find the ones on here very friendly, tolerant, and above all knowledgeable and helpful. Posted ImagePosted ImagePosted Image

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 06:59 PM

Noahs ark6, if you have a problem with the moderating team, please drop one of us a PM and we can discuss the problems you have.

Hi Ianho, i don't have a problem with the moderating team, i'm mearly suggesting. Underlined-- thats like a 6.5ft man who goes to the gym for 4 hours a day offering a 5ft, 8 stone person out (not in the affectionate way)

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 06:59 PM

If thats the case, then maybe more moderators need to post in that section, because it seems one of the most frequently posted in section




the reasons it isn't is that the questions generally asked in there are ones that the most of the members can answer and answer correctly, the more specialist questions tend to get answered by the mods and membership a like. Why would we need to intervene, when the membership do so well in answering?

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 07:01 PM

I have found the mods have offered some of the most helpful responses to my (many as a newbie) questions. So its a thumbs up for the mods team from me. I am surprised at some of the comments about them to be honest. I have been on some forums where the mods were so apparent and dictatorial in their approach it felt like living in the third reich or something, but I find the ones on here very friendly, tolerant, and above all knowledgeable and helpful. Posted ImagePosted ImagePosted Image

I 100% agree with the underlined :good:

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 07:05 PM

If thats the case, then maybe more moderators need to post in that section, because it seems one of the most frequently posted in section




the reasons it isn't is that the questions generally asked in there are ones that the most of the members can answer and answer correctly, the more specialist questions tend to get answered by the mods and membership a like. Why would we need to intervene, when the membership do so well in answering?

Good point :good:




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