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#1 Marto666

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Posted 19 September 2011 - 11:46 AM

My 2 Dwarf Gourami (6 months old) have developed what can only be described as a blister with a red sore in the middle on the left side of the body between the eye and fin.

One perished last night after it kept falling to the bottom and trying to swim back to the surface. The other seems very lethargic and just sits on the bottom of a hatchery I had exiled them to. I fear he wonít pull through?

Anyone seen this before? Is this the infamous Dwarf Gourami disease and what precautions should I be taking? All other fish seem fit as a fiddle.

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Posted 19 September 2011 - 11:56 AM

My 2 Dwarf Gourami (6 months old) have developed what can only be described as a blister with a red sore in the middle on the left side of the body between the eye and fin.
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Anyone seen this before? Is this the infamous Dwarf Gourami disease and what precautions should I be taking? All other fish seem fit as a fiddle.

Yes, these are common symptoms for dwarf goruamis. I recommend increased water changes and a generic anti-bacterial medication.

My personal opinion is that dwarf gourami disease is an excuse for poor water quality, as dwarf gouramis are very sensitive to water quality and I have not seen any proof that the disease really exists.

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Posted 19 September 2011 - 12:01 PM

Thanks for your reply.

I 25% water change every 10 days and only completed my last 4 days ago so cant see how this may have caused it as I have been consistant?

Is it curable?

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Posted 19 September 2011 - 12:26 PM

I 25% water change every 10 days and only completed my last 4 days ago so cant see how this may have caused it as I have been consistant?

Depending on the set-up, that's not very much. Also, water changes don't always correspond to water quality. For example, small water changes do not help to "reset" the hormone levels in the water. I *might* be able to make an educated guess at whether it is enough if you post your tank size, stock list (species, numbers age and size), tank and tap (the latter post-dechlorination and after standing for 24 hours) water parameters, description of cleaning regime, photo of tank, short summary log of the tank since it was set up and feeding regime.

Is it curable?

That depends on exactly what it is. If it is a bacterial infection, probably. If it is columnaris, probably. If it's Hexamita, possibly. If one fish has already died, there's a good chance that the other is too far gone to recover or survive medication. Still, you should try medicating just in case it does and because other fish may be infected too. What does the gourami's poo look like?.

But if you don't fix whatever caused it in the first place, it will only come back or will affect the fish in the long term, which will result in death.

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Posted 19 September 2011 - 12:36 PM

I have asked many times regarding water changes on this forum have been advised that is an adequate amount. I will have to provide those details later when I have more time but my signature has my stock and tank size etc. Just seems odd that I have not changed anything so would not have expected this.

Their poo was like little strings, they were both absolutely fine and normal before yesterday.

What kind of medication should I consider?

I have heard that Dwarf Gourami do tend to get ill easy.

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Posted 19 September 2011 - 12:49 PM

I have asked many times regarding water changes on this forum have been advised that is an adequate amount. I will have to provide those details later when I have more time but my signature has my stock and tank size etc. Just seems odd that I have not changed anything so would not have expected this.

Ah, sorry, didn't see it. That stocking is looking overstocked to me predominantly because of the silver dollars and Bala sharks. The environment is also very stressful for gouramis because of the number of other Anabantoidei that are present in the aquarium. Assuming that the aquarium is less than moderately-heavily to heavily planted, I would expect it to need more regular water changes.

I can see a *lot* of other problems with it too, but someone probably already pointed them out to you.

Their poo was like little strings, they were both absolutely fine and normal before yesterday.

Colour?

I have heard that Dwarf Gourami do tend to get ill easy.

From what I have seen over the years on forums, the vast majority of these cases is the result of poor water quality.

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Posted 19 September 2011 - 01:06 PM

I have had no other problems at all or have been advised of any potential issues regarding my set-up, they all seem pretty chilled. My dollars are full size, they are massive but donít seem to cause any problems. The sharks are only little, they donít seem to grow too quickly, I hardly notice them really.

The poo has been red Ė same colour as the food.

Because I am so consistent in water changes, it never really crossed my mind that it could be a water quality issue.

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Posted 19 September 2011 - 02:28 PM

I have had no other problems at all or have been advised of any potential issues regarding my set-up, they all seem pretty chilled. My dollars are full size, they are massive but don’t seem to cause any problems. The sharks are only little, they don’t seem to grow too quickly, I hardly notice them really.

So the list doesn't take up too much space:
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The poo has been red – same colour as the food.

So probably not internal parasites then… but keep watching this, just in case. There are no red worms sticking out of the bum, are there?

Because I am so consistent in water changes, it never really crossed my mind that it could be a water quality issue.

As I mentioned, water quality is a lot more complicated than just water changes :)

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Posted 19 September 2011 - 02:51 PM

Thanks for the break down, I must be riding my luck looking at your list.

I donít have common plecs, I know how large they grow + they poo for England (I know someone who keeps one in a 90l tank...).

I will add (in my defence) I inherited most of these fish when I bought the tank and would prefer to keep fish in shoals rather than pairs etc.


Havenít seen any red worms but I will keep extra vigilant. They both seemed to have lost all appetite so donít think there will be much more poo coming.

Could very well be a water quality issue, I cant really think what else it might be. I would be very disappointed if so. Another test is imminent to get to the bottom of this.

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Posted 19 September 2011 - 06:29 PM

Could very well be a water quality issue, I cant really think what else it might be. I would be very disappointed if so. Another test is imminent to get to the bottom of this.

If possible (and your tap water pH and hardness is same as for the tank water), can you do a 60-80% water change with warm, dechlorinated water? It might help.

What kind of medication should I consider?

I prefer eSHa 2000 as a generic anti-bacterial. Out of the rest, other people would be able to advise you better. Be careful though: most medications should not be mixed and are toxic to fish, just not as much as to what they're treating against.

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Posted 12 October 2011 - 12:47 AM

Very sad :( It could be ammonia burn. did you cycle your tank before you had the fish? it could also be velvet, but i highly dought THAT is what it was.




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