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#1 ZoddyZod

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Posted 01 August 2011 - 12:49 PM

Afternoon all!

After much hunting around I finally managed to bag my upgrade at the weekend - a Fluval Osaka 320L. Based on previous discussions SEE HERE I'm going to progress my current 125L stock into a SA/CA cichlid focused 320L.

The current stock I have is in my profile, and I will probably gradually change this over time to something along these lines

Keeping -
1 angel
1 BN
2 Bolivian Rams
3 Rosy White Tip Tetra
5 albino bronze corys

New Addtions
- 1 Rotkeil Sev (or similar sized 'centerpiece' cichlid)
- 5 more Rosy White Tip Tetra - 8 total (if I can find some)
- 2 more bolivians (4 total)
- 3 more albino bronze corys (8 total)

ANY COMMENTS OR ALTERNATIVE SUGGESTIONS TO THE STOCK ARE MOST WELCOME!

DECOR
I currently have quite a well planted tank, but I'm not going to provide C02 and the dosing of EasyCarbo would cost a small fortune on a 320L, so will probably scrap the plants. The main scape will consist of failr large pieces of twsited wood - maybe even try to immitate some tree roots and have some 'escaping' the waterline.

Will move substrate to sand

AGAIN - ANY COMMENTS & SUGGESTIONS ARE WELCOME!

FILTRATION
Currently have a Fluval 305 & U3. Think this will be adequate to start with, but will look for an additional external to replace the U3.

LIGHTING
The tank comes with a twin T5 54w rig - this is probably going to be quite bright for the scape, so I'd love to hear suggestions on dimming the intesity of the lighting. Maybe remove the reflectors?

Eventually this thread will turn into a journal - but the tank title of 'The Slow Burner' reflects how quickly I expect to get it up and running properly!

Edited by ZoddyZod, 21 August 2011 - 09:24 PM.


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Posted 01 August 2011 - 12:59 PM

You won't have to scrap the plants, unless the fish are an issue, and I don't think they are... With that lighting you could go non-CO2 route, but the idea of no waterchanges after the tank is established may seem odd to you. I'll give you more details if you want them.

Use floating plants. It's what I do to cut light. I use salvinia minima, but Amazon frogbit may be great for you. This an open top tank or with a hood?

Sounds like a fabulous setup. I love upgrades.

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Posted 01 August 2011 - 01:09 PM

You won't have to scrap the plants, unless the fish are an issue, and I don't think they are...

Use floating plants. It's what I do to cut light. I use salvinia minima, but Amazon frogbit may be great for you. This an open top tank or with a hood?

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I think the Severum will churn any plants that I put in there. Would be interesting to know your thoughts on supporting them without CO2 injection or liquid additive though.....

Floating plants - nice idea. Tank is open topped - here's a pic http://www.tropicalf.../339/1_bi.jpg?2

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Posted 01 August 2011 - 01:29 PM

That tank is SWEET!! :good: That severum is so beautiful.

Floaters would look awesome in that tank.

You can keep severums if you establish the plants first, and are clever to use your hardscape to help protect the plants, then add the fish. Takes a little bit of time, though. I've seen severums with live plants. hahaha! You said this was going to be a slow burner. :lol:

I don't add CO2 or dose this tank, have a look at my journal.

http://www.fishforum...ees-from-endor/

Are you going to stick with plants from the same region or are you flexible?

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Posted 01 August 2011 - 02:53 PM

In my experience Sevs are an absolute no go with plants. Floating plants will constantly be nibbled at as well.

Best thing to do is get two tanks - one for the Sevs and one for plants :lol: That's what I did as I love them both :lol:

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Posted 01 August 2011 - 03:36 PM

These golden severums didn't get the memo.

I don't link to outside places very often, but check out this tank!

http://www.positivec...rverumspawn.htm

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Posted 01 August 2011 - 09:00 PM

These golden severums didn't get the memo.

I don't link to outside places very often, but check out this tank!

http://www.positivec...rverumspawn.htm


Interesting.....unless the tank was planted 30 seconds before that photo and lasted 30 seconds after it! :lol:

It seems we may have a debate on our hands on Sevs vs Plants......I've seen plenty to sugges that the Sevs win. Anyone out there with experience of keeping them in a planted tank?

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Posted 01 August 2011 - 09:11 PM

The plants in the pictured tank are well-established plants. The look of the plants betray that. Those crypts are displaying submerged growth, as are the swords. Not newly planted emersed growth. May well be a debate. Saw in the NYC aquarium a well-established planted tank with red-bellied piranha, so perhaps livestock options can be more flexible with regard to planted tanks if one takes the time to establish the plants before adding the livestock. Granted piranhas are characins, not cichlids, but they are still very large fish and messy.

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Posted 01 August 2011 - 09:15 PM

Here's some pics of the tank after I collected it yesterday...

How I got the tank and stand into my family hatchback.....
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The tank - the brushed aluminium trim needs some attention - will probably paint or find some form of self-adhesive stuff to cover.
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I get the feeling it may have been used for marine....
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It holds water.....which is good!
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Got a local tradesman to come round and reassemble the cabinet
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....did a pretty decent job!
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Posted 01 August 2011 - 09:19 PM

Got a local tradesman to come round and reassemble the cabinet
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....did a pretty decent job!
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Haha great photo! Looking good :good:

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Posted 01 August 2011 - 10:17 PM

I get the feeling it may have been used for marine....
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Haha! Ya think? :lol:

Good deal and find on that tank.

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Posted 02 August 2011 - 03:26 AM

This is going to make me want another tank :S

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Posted 02 August 2011 - 09:02 AM

I don't know if it's any help, but I'm still in the process of properly decorating my 370L and have stolen shamelessly from Davo. I'm hoping to finish it off today, so hopefully I'll be able to post some photo's later to show you what I mean.

I've gone with a bogwood tangle that takes up the bottom half of the tank (it's quite a tall tank - Rena Aqualife 120) with red moor wood on top of the tangle along the length of the tank. I've now bought an artificial plant that I'll be hanging down to the red moor wood to try and recreate some sort of river bank effect. I'm not sure how well that'll work for you with an open topped tank. I suspect one way of dealing with it would be to use aquarium sealant to stick strands of the artificial plants onto the side of the tank at the waterline, then add floating plants along the back wall to hide it - not sure how well that would work though.

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Posted 02 August 2011 - 09:13 AM

I don't know if it's any help, but I'm still in the process of properly decorating my 370L and have stolen shamelessly from Davo. I'm hoping to finish it off today, so hopefully I'll be able to post some photo's later to show you what I mean.


sounds very interesting - would be great to see some photos.

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Posted 02 August 2011 - 09:10 PM

Not a great pic and I've not fine tuned the decor just yet but this should give you an idea of what I was talking about:

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I'm planning on trying to spread out/separate the stems and bring some of them downwards and probably add a bit more bog wood and red moor wood to get a reasonable layering effect.

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Posted 03 August 2011 - 12:36 AM

I still think you can plant this baby, but I'm really stubborn. The above is very nice too. Some amazing wood there!

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Posted 03 August 2011 - 07:48 AM

Not a great pic and I've not fine tuned the decor just yet but this should give you an idea of what I was talking about:


I really like that set-up. Clean and simple with the fish being the main attraction.

The lighting looks nice and subdued. What tubes have you got?

I still think you can plant this baby, but I'm really stubborn.


I'm waiting ANYONE to say that they have Sevs and plants!

But whilst we wait - what plants could I have? I presume I'd still need to does ferts - but the dosing will be huge for a 320L tank, no? I'm currently using TPN+

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Posted 03 August 2011 - 01:42 PM


Not a great pic and I've not fine tuned the decor just yet but this should give you an idea of what I was talking about:


I really like that set-up. Clean and simple with the fish being the main attraction.

The lighting looks nice and subdued. What tubes have you got?

I still think you can plant this baby, but I'm really stubborn.


I'm waiting ANYONE to say that they have Sevs and plants!

But whilst we wait - what plants could I have? I presume I'd still need to does ferts - but the dosing will be huge for a 320L tank, no? I'm currently using TPN+


Well what's pictured in the link is a really great indication of what you can have. Amazon swords, cryptocorynes, Anything with a strong root structure. An Amazon sword collection would be pretty Amazing. Larger swords to the back with patches of E. tennelus in the foreground, leave bare substrate and rocks for the severum. They'd need ferts more than anything else. Perhaps not CO2. Depends on how you choose to do maintenance. The thing is that people tend to add fish right after they plant plants. Of course a severum's going to be able to tackle a freshly planted sword. But an established sword strongly rooted into the substrate. Takes about 1-2 months for plants to securely anchor to the substrate. I can barely pull out a well-established sword. Most people don't wait that long to add stock. The only problem fish is the severum. Everything else in that tank are fine with planted tanks. this is just my opinion, you can certainly go for fake plants, and the system would pretty too. Hehehe, if you can do it, then well, you can tell others that it's doable. You're great with plants, so why not marry the two?

I don't know, seeing that planted piranha tank so lush and healthy really altered how I see planted tanks.

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Posted 03 August 2011 - 02:06 PM

The thing is that people tend to add fish right after they plant plants. Of course a severum's going to be able to tackle a freshly planted sword. But an established sword strongly rooted into the substrate.


that should not be a problem. My plan is a gradual change from one tank to the other and the Sev will probably be the last addition (the Rotkeils are quite scare, apparently, so may take some time to source one anyway), so letting the plants settle in first will not be an issue.

In terms of ferts, I'm currently dosing 4ml TPN+ per day into my 125L and adding 2.5ml EasyCarbo (2 x40w T8s). What would I need TPN wise in a 320L without dosing carbon and under 2 x 54w T%s?

I assume I will need a 'proper' plant substrate as well underneath the sand?

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Posted 03 August 2011 - 02:12 PM

Hmmmm,

Having a think about the 'centerpiece' of this tank. What about a group of angels instead? So the plan would be

Keeping -
1 angel
1 BN
2 Bolivian Rams
3 Rosy White Tip Tetra
5 albino bronze corys

New Addtions
- 5 angels (6 total)
- 5 more Rosy White Tip Tetra - 8 total (if I can find some)
- 3 more albino bronze corys (8 total)

or is 6 angels too much for a 4ft?




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