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#1 Bloo

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Posted 01 December 2006 - 03:40 PM

I just popped into Wholesale Tropicals today (my lfs here in London, UK) and they have what I am fairly certain of, Glofish!! The are selling them as Red Zebra Danios - and apparantly that's what they bought them as from the wholesaler. They are certain that they are not dyed. Which to the best of my knowledge only leaves the option of Glofish.

However I was under the impression that they are not available outside the USA ?? :huh:

Could anyone shed some light on this - or has anyone seen them there (there are in the little fishtanks on the left hand side - in the same tank as some baby longfin Ancistrus)? I'm curious. Not that I want any, but would just like to know what exactly they are selling there.

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Posted 01 December 2006 - 04:12 PM

http://www.practical...ign_details.php

Scroll down a bit to the GM fish article.
It mentions medaka with the gene and ive seen them in Aberdeen. They had a blue flash added to the back half of them and i reckon would be glowing in the dark. I wish I had got some as i could have shown them to you all. It also says that you need a licence which no one has and if seen then they are illegal.

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Posted 01 December 2006 - 04:20 PM

Interesting.... so are these guys indeed dyed then? I wonder. I didn't think WST would stock dyed fish. But then again, neither did I think they'd stock anything illegal.

If any of you guys go in there, check them out and let me know what you think. They are definitely pink as pink - or red(ish).

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Posted 01 December 2006 - 04:51 PM

Are Glofish concidered "dyed"? I asked in the Dyed fish pinned topic but no one has bothered to answer me. I just got three Glofish a week or so ago. I like them alot. But I won't buy any more if they are infact dyed. I know the process to make glofish is by injecting stuff from jellyfish into the eggs. But I don't know if it's the same.

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Posted 01 December 2006 - 04:54 PM

Glofish have the genes injected into the eggs but other fish are dyed and arent labeled as glofish.
At least thats how i understand it.

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Posted 01 December 2006 - 04:54 PM

I think they have these in the goldfish bowl, Oxford as there are some very red looking danios in there at the mo. The manager did query it with the supplier who said they weren't dyed, but I forgot to mention about glofish, so will do when I'm next in there.

If it is, is there anything banning GM stuff like this in the UK?

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Posted 01 December 2006 - 05:00 PM

is there anything banning GM stuff like this in the UK?

Indeed - see that link that BA provided. I'd be very interested to hear what the Goldfish bowl have to say about them too - if in fact they are not dyed.

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Posted 01 December 2006 - 05:24 PM

Glofish aren't dyed and not considered dyed. Despite what some people might claim or think, the process doesn't harm the fish in any ways unlike dyeing, irregardless of your opinion of genetic modification being acceptable or not.

I've seen Glofish up close and the best way to tell short of sticking them under a blacklight (they do not glow in the dark) is to look for a faint glow or sheen coming off of them. They look exactly like a regular Zebra Danio but are red in color. I have spare 10g I might stick a few in actually and will take some photos of if I do. At $4 a fish, they're still expensive but not as bad as the $6-8 they were selling for.

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Posted 01 December 2006 - 05:28 PM

I'm not entirely sure on the current legislation, but either they're imported illegally (as many fish are, with the buyer unknowing) or there's a loophole. Being that these fish are problably generations since the original GM danio egg, that could be a possible loophole, but without actually asking someone from, say, DEFRA, it's impossible to know.

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Posted 01 December 2006 - 06:25 PM

OATA has contacted all UK wholesalers and asked them to not sell their stocks of these danios to any retailer.
I have no idea why OATA have taken this stance, so don't ask me. :)

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Posted 01 December 2006 - 07:14 PM

I've decided to go and buy a half dozen or so of them and stick them in a 10g. I remembered I have an old black light bulb and it's the right size for a 10g fluorescent hood. Should be interesting to see them. :)

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Posted 01 December 2006 - 07:17 PM

OATA has contacted all UK wholesalers and asked them to not sell their stocks of these danios to any retailer.
I have no idea why OATA have taken this stance, so don't ask me. :)

So are you saying these are indeed glofish ?

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Posted 01 December 2006 - 07:29 PM

no what I'm saying is they are belived to be an illegal import of a rip-off of a trademarked product.

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Posted 02 December 2006 - 03:07 AM

Glofish are hard to get good shots of. :P I'll try again later to get better shots. Anyhow, from these pictures you should be able to at least tell a true glofish apart from a dyed one.

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What they normally look like.

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Glowing, sort of, in the black light.

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Posted 02 December 2006 - 06:11 AM

are you sure their not Nannostomus mortenthaleri (ruby red pencil fish) which are very hard to get hold of

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Posted 02 December 2006 - 08:17 AM

OATA has contacted all UK wholesalers and asked them to not sell their stocks of these danios to any retailer.
I have no idea why OATA have taken this stance, so don't ask me. :)


Probably don't want to get caught up in any legal crossfire.


no what I'm saying is they are belived to be an illegal import of a rip-off of a trademarked product.


Yup, most likely. Although not that it's difficult, once you've got hold of a pair they're at it like rabbits in no time. There's a lot of possible issues with them- trademarking, GM, whether they qualify as dyed, whether it's cruel...

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Posted 02 December 2006 - 09:21 AM

Its not harmful to the egg and not painful so why should we be able to create fish this way. Its not like the "blood parrot" situation. I like the idea of a fish that people have created yet its not harmed or disfigured in the creation. Its just a red daino. If i could find some i would get a few.

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Posted 02 December 2006 - 10:27 AM

http://www.fishmartinc.com/glofish.htm
Here good article about the fighting pollution glofish

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Posted 02 December 2006 - 11:04 AM

Oh, I didn't say it was, in fact I think the opposite. It's more a case of OATA/whatever probably wanting to investigate into the process to check that nothing is amiss, as it were. With plenty of people claiming, for instance, that the 'laser tattooing' of fish isn't harmful, there are equally plenty of people who think that GM danios are cruel.




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