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#1 Durbkat

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Posted 21 December 2005 - 09:36 PM

One of my julli corys has red gill plates what does that mean because the other one doesn't have it and I use to have 3 and the 3rd had red gill plates to but it died. So what does it mean and what can I do to help it?

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Posted 21 December 2005 - 09:38 PM

Can mean a number of thing from bad water quality so will need water stats in ammonia,nitrite,nitrate,and ph, any laboured breathing or flicking and rubbing against objects.

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Posted 21 December 2005 - 09:43 PM

I don't have a test kit, sorry. No he just doesn't move much and is smaller than the other one. I can't really see it breath since its a cory. But when I picked it up a moment ago his all I saw was his gill plates were alittle red and thats it. He started flopping around so I guess that means he's not to sick yet. I can get a water test possibly saturday once I build my 55g stand and if I can get a ride to my lps to get gravel and stuff I'll have them test it. Is there anything I can do?

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Posted 21 December 2005 - 09:47 PM

If there is no laboured breathing and flicking and rubbing, i would suggest doing a water change as it could be water quality issue, get your water tested and ask them to write the readings down for you.

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Posted 21 December 2005 - 09:49 PM

Ok thanks. I just got done vacum cleaning and once I get the results I'll post it on here if it doesn't die between that time. If I put a sample of water in a ziplock bag would the water be good if it didn't get tested for a few hours?

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Posted 21 December 2005 - 09:57 PM

I've took sample in little bottles or tablet bottles i sterlised them first with boiling water, good luck, get back with the results, if you can turn aeration up in the tank, watch out for flicking and rubbing against objects, and laboured breathing.

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Posted 21 December 2005 - 10:06 PM

No I meant would the water still be good and get the same results if it set in a bag for a few hours before it got tested. Like say for example the results were P.H. 7.2 ammonia 2 nitrite 1 nitrate 2 would it still give that same result after being in a bag with no oxygen or fish in it or would the results change if it didn't get tested soon after being scooped out of the tank?

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Posted 21 December 2005 - 10:09 PM

Should be fine left it hours before i got it tested in the early days, good luck durbkat.

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Posted 21 December 2005 - 10:10 PM

Thanks for all your help wilder. ^_^

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Posted 23 December 2005 - 09:29 PM

Well he died :-( :rip: I guess saturday I'll have to go and get more.

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Posted 23 December 2005 - 09:35 PM

Sorry, R.I.P., I wouldn't buy anymore fish to you find the problem out, if it's poor water quality or gill flukes, as you are just wasting your money, get water tested if that ok, you could be dealing with gill flukes.

http://www.fishdoc.c...ease/flukes.htm

Hope it isn't gill flukes little ******** to get rid of, i've had them in my tank, had to strip it down in the end, and medicate again, but now they have gone, here is some more info for you but i'm not the writer of it.
Gill Flukes



Symptoms:

Fish with gill flukes have gills that may appear red and inflamed, bleeding or slimy. Excess mucous or puss may exude from the gills. Sick fish can be observed gasping for air near the surface. This disease is most common in younger fish and fry, who are more susceptible to the parasite.



Cause:

The monogenetic fluke Dactylogyrus, which destroys gill tissue and damages blood vessels in this region.



Treatment:

Treat with Clout, Fluke Tabs, Paraform, Trifon, Paragon, Quick Cure, Formalin, orParasite Guard. Gill flukes are highly contagious, therefore, all fish in the same aquarium should be treated.

Edited by Wilder, 23 December 2005 - 09:36 PM.


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Posted 23 December 2005 - 09:36 PM

So do you think the tank is over crowded? Should I treat the whole tank or should I wait and see because the first cory that died from it was about 3 months ago before this cory even got it.

Edited by Durbkat, 23 December 2005 - 09:38 PM.


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Posted 23 December 2005 - 09:38 PM

What do you have in it, see if you don't qurantine new fish they can fetch parasites into the tank, it could be water quality but won't no till you get your water tested.

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Posted 23 December 2005 - 09:45 PM

3 red eyed tetras, 3 x-ray tetras, 1 julli cory. I think the first cory to die with it had it when I put him in because he was about to die within a couple weeks of having him so I returned it and got store credit and got another betta then this one dies at least 3 months later. Well when I get the water tested I'll post it on here.

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Posted 23 December 2005 - 09:52 PM

Ok, also pick a med up for flukes just in case.

Coppersafe
Manufacturer: Mardel
Chelated copper treatment recommended for the treatment of ick, flukes, anchor worms, velvet, protozoan diseases and other external parasites.


Clout
Manufacturer: Aquarium Products
A very strong and effective medication for parasitic and protozoan infestations. Treats: Ich, Hydra, leeches, Planaria, Epistylis, Trichodina, Hexamita,Tetrahy-mena, body fungus, digenetic flukes, parasitic copepods, monogenetic flukes and anchor worms.


If it does turn out to be gill flukes, go in with half dose with the tetra's and corys, plus increase aeration with an airstone.

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Posted 23 December 2005 - 09:55 PM

Alright thanks for the med info.

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Posted 23 December 2005 - 10:18 PM

Sometimes when fish grow they develop there sex differences maybe this could be one of them. Look it up :D

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Posted 23 December 2005 - 10:26 PM

Sometimes when fish grow they develop there sex differences maybe this could be one of them. Look it up :D


I'd like to see your source for this one.

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Posted 23 December 2005 - 11:36 PM

Sorry to hear about your loss Durbkat :( I really do think you should invest in a test kit. This way you know the results are accurate without you having to depend on LFS to do it for you. And you can always see if you have water quality issues almost immediately, which can help your fish if you notice any issues early enough.

I use the API master test kit and it cost around $20.

Hope everything goes ok :) Good Luck

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Posted 24 December 2005 - 12:45 AM

Well once I get some money I will. :D

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Posted 27 December 2005 - 07:46 PM

Durbkat did you get your water tested.

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Posted 27 December 2005 - 08:34 PM

Oh yeah I almost forgot about this thread. Yes I did the results are P.H. 7.6, ammonia 0, nitrite 0, not sure about nitrate but she said it was in very good shape, not sure if this will help but like when the water changed color after she added the chemicals it was towards the very top of the charts which she said was good.

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Posted 27 December 2005 - 08:36 PM

Nitrates are better at low results, like anything above 050 you need to do water changes to fetch it down,are they flicking and rubbing against objects.

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Posted 27 December 2005 - 08:39 PM

So since it was towards the top of the chart that means it high? :huh: I have not noticed any flicking and rubbing against objects but thats because the cory stays towards the back or in his cave since he is the only one in there. But I have noticed that when the tetras are hiding under the plants they twitch alittle bit is that normal or what?

Edited by Durbkat, 27 December 2005 - 08:40 PM.


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Posted 27 December 2005 - 08:42 PM

Sorry it's me need to get my brain in gear, that's fine them, thinking of bottom of the chart, if they are twitching yes it sounds like you have a parasite like gill flukes i would medicate as soon as possilbe, and they are very hard to get rid off.

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Posted 27 December 2005 - 08:55 PM

Well they seem fine other than that and its not really noticable but I don't have a penny to my name and can't get meds till my b-day in may.

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Posted 27 December 2005 - 08:57 PM

If you don't treat the tank they will die.

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Posted 27 December 2005 - 09:15 PM

Don't you have any parasite meds, do you have any relations who need a few jobs doing for cash?.

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Posted 27 December 2005 - 09:45 PM

All I have is maracyn. Nope no realtives in my area that has any money. There isn't much I can do since my grandmother is so stubborn and claims if the fish will eat and is alive and not laying on the bottom that its fine. I guess I'll just have to wait it out and hope they get better and if they don't and dye I'll nuke the tank and maybe put a male betta and a few corys.

Edited by Durbkat, 27 December 2005 - 09:48 PM.





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