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Potential Fish To Avoid For Newcomers, Think twice before stocking these
Kev Harvey
post Jan 2 2007, 06:23 PM
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Great tread, however id add neon tetras to the list of delacit fish, or at least in my experiance


Lot of people here saying no to neons, but books and web-sites I've read all say neon and cardinals, along with harlequin and mollies, are ok as long as they are only put into well established tanks.

Anyone agree


The key phrase there is "well established tanks" - which won't apply to beginners.
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post Jan 11 2007, 12:27 AM
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Agreed. For some reason, cardinals and neons are sold by the billions in LFS's as starter fish. Well, you may have some 'beginner's luck' but these fish, IMO, are not easy FOR BEGINNERS and, as above, should only be stocked in a stable well-established tank. Many times, people think their neons/cardinals are being eaten, when, in fact, they are dying and simply dissolving/breaking down in the filter. Food for thought (did I say that?). SH
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post Jan 11 2007, 01:12 AM
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Agree. When I first started, I bought a bunch of them because they were cheap and cool-looking. But they're not very hardy for a beginner, and when they die, they decompose pretty quickly. Some I noticed floating, but I know there were other that just "disappeared" with nothing else in the tank that was going to eat them.

Personally, I'd recommend Giant Danios for beginners. They have so much character, are fun to watch, and really get some great coloring as they grow older. Plus, mine are 5 years old, and have lived through all the typical beginner disasters, an ick outbreak, and a heater malfunction. And still spend hours a day playing in the filter return current!
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post Jan 26 2007, 08:31 PM
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Still being a beginner myself, I have found that danios are one of the easiest to keep. I especially like the long fin variety as they get really gorgeous fins. However, I do have to warn to be very careful of disease. Since the danios are very social and like playing "tag" alot, they spread diseases between one another very quickly. Corys are wonderful, very active, and fun to watch. Kuhli loaches seem pretty hardy as well and have interesting personalities. Just make sure you have lots of places for them to hide. If you absolutely want a tetra, glow lites seem to be the hardiest of the small colorful varieties. The hardest thing about most of the others is that they are very touchy about their water (ph, nitrates, temperature etc.) I've also found clown loaches easy to keep and with the benefit that they will decimate tank snails. I've had some luck with raspboras as well, though you have to do some looking around to find nicely colored ones.
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post Mar 12 2007, 10:51 AM
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I have a weeks experience keeping fish (struggling already!).
I didn't notice the black shark (Labeo Chrysophekadion) listed here, careful with this fella!!
He's listed as a community fish almost everywhere and not every aquarium who stocks one is going to tell you what aggressive fish they can be, or the fact they may grow to 600mm's or more.
Some sites even recommend feeding them beef heart!
I've just taken one back, due to a combination of advice on TFF and because after putting an angry Angel into my naughty tank with him, i had to remove the angel after about 2 minutes due to the shockingly brutal nature of my cute (ha) little shark.
The one good thing is; the angel has settled back into the main tank but won't for the life of him show aggression to any other fish.
Black sharks a no-no for me and all other beginners.
Ps. (i know that angels aren't exactly ideal either)
What about gourami, aside from the aggression issues between males?
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post Mar 14 2007, 01:04 AM
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I would add the following fish to the list that beginners should avoid. They are all major tank busters and are usually sold as small, cute litte fish.

1. Pacu
2. Silver Shark or Bala Shark
3. Clown Loaches
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post Apr 1 2007, 02:19 AM
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I bought 6 neon tetras about 5 months ago, one died right off. Then in Feb I bought a new tank and used Cycle to begin the beneficial bacteria. My other 5 tetras are healthy as can be, I absolutely love tetras. I think I want to stick to only Tetras, and I am a beginner- thats how much I love them! I also have 5 black skirt tetras, they are so fun to watch!

So I have an algea eater but I have no idea what type he is, I definitely dont want him eating my other fish when he grows up- any advice on finding out what he is?
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post Aug 22 2007, 05:00 AM
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Pets at Home sold me two Pakistani Loaches years ago. Aparantly a friendly fish for the community tank. Some of my fish began losing eyes and fins. I phoned a repatable store in Middlesbrough to ask the cause. He had me list my fish. He stoped me when I said loach. I'll never buy a loach again. I got rid of them and my problems went away.

I'm not so much bad mouthing loaches. Its the store people who give bad advice. Be wary of retail monsters. They dont care about your stock. Read up on what you desire and ask from experienced keepers
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post May 2 2008, 09:08 AM
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QUOTE (steelhealr @ Mar 15 2006, 01:54 PM) *
No one likes to finger a particular fish. What is easy to keep in one person's tank may wreak havoc in the life of another person's. If you are just starting out, the fish listed below may not be good first choices for many reasons.


Iridescent Sharks, Pangasius hypophthalmus

They look great in the tank at the lfs. Small, shiny, great swimmers. They don't stay that way. They can grow to almost 3 feet. They are excitable and can smash against the aquarium wall at high speeds and injure themselves. During water changes they can exit your tank like a rocket. They also become nocturnal.

Bala Sharks, Balantiocheilus melanopterus

Another teeny tiny fish that grows HUGE.

Plecos, Hypostomus sp.

Everyone needs an algae eater, right? Plecos can again outgrow most tanks.

Chinese Algae Eaters

These are the Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde's of fishkeeping. These little fellows start out small and eating algae. They grow large and then develop an appetite for your tank inhabitants. Algae eating fish are frequently mislabelled at your lfs. Be careful.

Knifefishes

Grow huge and if your favorite fish becomes smaller in size than their mouth, they get pursued quietly from behind and then sucked in.

Goldfish

Very familiar to many of us at fairs and as kids. Goldfish tend to be 'dirty', ie, carry parasites and nasty bacteria. They also don't belong in tropical tanks as they are coldwater fish.

Piranhas

Grow huge. Need space. Should be in schools. Feed them well or they get hungry. Many end up getting ill from being fed 'feeder' fish for owners who keep them to watch their eating habits.

Painted Glassfish, Pseudambassis ranga or Chanda ranga

Now, how did nature get these guys do have a fluorescent stripe on their back? Well, nature didn't. They were cruelly injected with dye. These poor fish have a higher likelihood of getting sick. If you feel sorry for them, complain to the lfs who bought them. If you decide to give them a home, they will benefit from some aquarium salt in the tank.

Many othered dyed fish

If you think that many fish come in sorts of fruit colors, think again. Strawberried, raspberried, blueberries. NOT!!! Injected. Victims frequently include white skirt tetras, some botias. Ask first before buying.

Elephant nose, Gnathonemus petersii

High maintenance for beginners. Nocturnal and usually needs to be fed at night. Needs a larger tank, meaty foods, can be aggressive.

Red-tailed catfish, Phractocephalus hemioliopterus

Grows HUGE. Do you have an 8 foot tank?

Various other cats

Catfish eat fish.....aquarium fish. They grow large even tho' they are small at the lfs. One common species is the Pictus cat. Others are the channel cat and the shovelnose cat.

Baby Whale, Petrocephalus bovei

Similar to the elephant nose. May prefer live foods.

Various Eels of the Spiny Nature, Mastacembelus

Tire track eels, Zig Zag Yellowtail Eel, Fire Eel, eg. All nocturnal predators, grow large and require large tanks.

Fishes of a delicate nature

Listed below are a few fish that are very easy to obtain at the lfs but, for many reasons, just aren't that easy to keep. Although not in the category of growing large or being aggressive, they CAN be problematic for some and might be better choices after you have some experience under your belt. A few to give thought about before purchasing include:
  • hatchetfish-can be prone to ich; they can and DO jump out of the tank when startled. Need to be in groups to reduce stress.
  • glass cats-need to be in groups; like to have some current; can die for no apparent reason
  • otos (otocinclus)-have been known to die soon after acclimation without any evidence of disease; theories include loss of the ability to digest food during transport
  • pencilfish-sensitive to water conditions
Brackish Fish

Brackish fish have different requirements than regular FW fish in that they need salt in their environment. Brackish areas are those near the sea or where freshwater approaches the ocean. Setting up these tanks requires some research and preparation and, perhaps, is best left for when you have a few more miles underneath your belt. Some brackish fish include:
  • scats
  • monos
  • various puffers
  • archers
  • Mollies; Poecilia sphenops, Poecilia latipinna, and Poecilia velifera (Though often a mix of two or more)

    Mollies are often regarded as a Beginner Fish, seeing as they are Livebearers, which are considered some of the easiest fish to breed and keep. Mollies are pretty easy, as fish go, however they aren't as easy as say...your common Platy. Mollies need to be kept in either some salt, or if kept in freshwater, hard and alkaline water. If you have soft, acidic water you can still keep Mollies, however you will want to add salt. Without salt or hard, alkaline water, they are much more prone to disease, especially "shimmies". Some Mollies are raised in total freshwater, and can live in softer, acidic water, however it's not going to be healthiest or best for them.

    Also, most Mollies get fairly large, and with Sailfins especially, the males can be aggressive. They need a larger tank then most Livebearers, so these aren't the fish to keep in your 10 gallon. Except possibly Balloons but even they should be kept in a bigger tank. Mollies are very hardy fish when kept in the right conditions, and I would recommend them to a Beginner as long as they have those conditions and a proper sized tank.
Final Comment

The final choice of what goes in your tank is YOURS. This thread was meant as a springboard for you to do more research before taking one of these fish home. Use caution when relying on 'future plans for a larger tank' because one never knows what will happen in several months to years. Many lfs' will not take back a large fish, nor will public aquariums. Be a conscientious aquarist and stock your tank with fish that will grow into it comfortably.



I AM A BEGINNER!
Damn, will this work?

20 Gallon Tank with the following fish-
Lyretail Dalmation Molly-3
Cardinal Tetras-3
Sparkling gouramies-3

If so, how?
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post May 2 2008, 09:13 AM
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QUOTE (steelhealr @ Mar 15 2006, 01:54 PM) *
No one likes to finger a particular fish. What is easy to keep in one person's tank may wreak havoc in the life of another person's. If you are just starting out, the fish listed below may not be good first choices for many reasons.


Iridescent Sharks, Pangasius hypophthalmus

They look great in the tank at the lfs. Small, shiny, great swimmers. They don't stay that way. They can grow to almost 3 feet. They are excitable and can smash against the aquarium wall at high speeds and injure themselves. During water changes they can exit your tank like a rocket. They also become nocturnal.

Bala Sharks, Balantiocheilus melanopterus

Another teeny tiny fish that grows HUGE.

Plecos, Hypostomus sp.

Everyone needs an algae eater, right? Plecos can again outgrow most tanks.

Chinese Algae Eaters

These are the Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde's of fishkeeping. These little fellows start out small and eating algae. They grow large and then develop an appetite for your tank inhabitants. Algae eating fish are frequently mislabelled at your lfs. Be careful.

Knifefishes

Grow huge and if your favorite fish becomes smaller in size than their mouth, they get pursued quietly from behind and then sucked in.

Goldfish

Very familiar to many of us at fairs and as kids. Goldfish tend to be 'dirty', ie, carry parasites and nasty bacteria. They also don't belong in tropical tanks as they are coldwater fish.

Piranhas

Grow huge. Need space. Should be in schools. Feed them well or they get hungry. Many end up getting ill from being fed 'feeder' fish for owners who keep them to watch their eating habits.

Painted Glassfish, Pseudambassis ranga or Chanda ranga

Now, how did nature get these guys do have a fluorescent stripe on their back? Well, nature didn't. They were cruelly injected with dye. These poor fish have a higher likelihood of getting sick. If you feel sorry for them, complain to the lfs who bought them. If you decide to give them a home, they will benefit from some aquarium salt in the tank.

Many othered dyed fish

If you think that many fish come in sorts of fruit colors, think again. Strawberried, raspberried, blueberries. NOT!!! Injected. Victims frequently include white skirt tetras, some botias. Ask first before buying.

Elephant nose, Gnathonemus petersii

High maintenance for beginners. Nocturnal and usually needs to be fed at night. Needs a larger tank, meaty foods, can be aggressive.

Red-tailed catfish, Phractocephalus hemioliopterus

Grows HUGE. Do you have an 8 foot tank?

Various other cats

Catfish eat fish.....aquarium fish. They grow large even tho' they are small at the lfs. One common species is the Pictus cat. Others are the channel cat and the shovelnose cat.

Baby Whale, Petrocephalus bovei

Similar to the elephant nose. May prefer live foods.

Various Eels of the Spiny Nature, Mastacembelus

Tire track eels, Zig Zag Yellowtail Eel, Fire Eel, eg. All nocturnal predators, grow large and require large tanks.

Fishes of a delicate nature

Listed below are a few fish that are very easy to obtain at the lfs but, for many reasons, just aren't that easy to keep. Although not in the category of growing large or being aggressive, they CAN be problematic for some and might be better choices after you have some experience under your belt. A few to give thought about before purchasing include:
  • hatchetfish-can be prone to ich; they can and DO jump out of the tank when startled. Need to be in groups to reduce stress.
  • glass cats-need to be in groups; like to have some current; can die for no apparent reason
  • otos (otocinclus)-have been known to die soon after acclimation without any evidence of disease; theories include loss of the ability to digest food during transport
  • pencilfish-sensitive to water conditions
Brackish Fish

Brackish fish have different requirements than regular FW fish in that they need salt in their environment. Brackish areas are those near the sea or where freshwater approaches the ocean. Setting up these tanks requires some research and preparation and, perhaps, is best left for when you have a few more miles underneath your belt. Some brackish fish include:
  • scats
  • monos
  • various puffers
  • archers
  • Mollies; Poecilia sphenops, Poecilia latipinna, and Poecilia velifera (Though often a mix of two or more)

    Mollies are often regarded as a Beginner Fish, seeing as they are Livebearers, which are considered some of the easiest fish to breed and keep. Mollies are pretty easy, as fish go, however they aren't as easy as say...your common Platy. Mollies need to be kept in either some salt, or if kept in freshwater, hard and alkaline water. If you have soft, acidic water you can still keep Mollies, however you will want to add salt. Without salt or hard, alkaline water, they are much more prone to disease, especially "shimmies". Some Mollies are raised in total freshwater, and can live in softer, acidic water, however it's not going to be healthiest or best for them.

    Also, most Mollies get fairly large, and with Sailfins especially, the males can be aggressive. They need a larger tank then most Livebearers, so these aren't the fish to keep in your 10 gallon. Except possibly Balloons but even they should be kept in a bigger tank. Mollies are very hardy fish when kept in the right conditions, and I would recommend them to a Beginner as long as they have those conditions and a proper sized tank.
Final Comment

The final choice of what goes in your tank is YOURS. This thread was meant as a springboard for you to do more research before taking one of these fish home. Use caution when relying on 'future plans for a larger tank' because one never knows what will happen in several months to years. Many lfs' will not take back a large fish, nor will public aquariums. Be a conscientious aquarist and stock your tank with fish that will grow into it comfortably.



I AM A BEGINNER!
Damn, will this work?

20 Gallon Tank with the following fish-
Lyretail Dalmation Molly-3
Cardinal Tetras-3
Sparkling gouramies-3

If so, how?
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post May 10 2008, 03:37 PM
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QUOTE (nijohnnyuk @ Jun 19 2006, 07:59 PM) *
wow

a lot of food for thought!

i have learnt so much from this site already! who needs books!!! good.gif

QUOTE (Katana @ Apr 10 2006, 01:22 AM) *

Morbid, where are you located? I have a pond that may possibly work for him.



are neon tetras something to avoid?

i love their colours


It's because people "love their colours" that they are sensitive. They are a really popular fish, as they are small so suit any aquarium, and they shoal in groups. People have been breeding them in harsh conditions to produce quantity not quality.
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