I have been looking around the shops for sailfins the velifera and i can believe the standard they are all about 2 to 2 1/2 long and like pencils and all looked very sad not one really good gold sail fin among them if i do decide to start with them again dont know where i will get good stock think the only way is to buy only females that look gravid and start from there . These are for my personal show fish . I loved showing them long way to go for the 5 to 6 inch ones i did have[b]