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jonny_dw
post Jul 14 2008, 12:31 PM
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Im thinking of getting a sanchezi piranha. Lovely looking piranha and I much prefer them to red bellies.

Does anyone know where in the UK i could get one and how much they usually go for?

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post Jul 16 2008, 02:02 AM
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I'm pretty sure CFC got his from wildwoods where he gets most of his fish.
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post Jul 17 2008, 11:58 AM
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ah thanks mate
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post Jul 17 2008, 12:25 PM
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Im thinking of getting a sanchezi piranha.

surely you mean A school of them and not A single fish?
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post Jul 17 2008, 12:29 PM
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surely you mean A school


Given their behaviour patterns, more likely a shoal I would say tongue2.gif
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post Jul 17 2008, 03:05 PM
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your thinking of red bellied piranha's.

Sanchez piranha's are very intolerable of other fish. I would need a tank in the multiple hundred gallons to keep more than one sanchez piranha. They prefer to be on their own. I understand where your coming from but don't worry Ive read up on them good.gif

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post Jul 17 2008, 04:13 PM
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QUOTE (jonny_dw @ Jul 17 2008, 08:05 AM) *
your thinking of red bellied piranha's.

Sanchez piranha's are very intolerable of other fish. I would need a tank in the multiple hundred gallons to keep more than one sanchez piranha. They prefer to be on your own. I understand where your coming from but don't worry Ive read up on them good.gif



You certainly have done your reading. Good job! It seems many people skip tht part when it comes to piranhas.
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post Jul 17 2008, 04:56 PM
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Thanks happy.gif I want to make sure I can provide the best for the fish, hopeing to raise a young one up. Problem is the sanchez species are alot harder to come by than red bellies so I'll just have to keep searching lol
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post Jul 17 2008, 06:55 PM
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QUOTE (Mr._Fishy @ Jul 17 2008, 12:13 PM) *
QUOTE (jonny_dw @ Jul 17 2008, 08:05 AM) *
your thinking of red bellied piranha's.

Sanchez piranha's are very intolerable of other fish. I would need a tank in the multiple hundred gallons to keep more than one sanchez piranha. They prefer to be on your own. I understand where your coming from but don't worry Ive read up on them good.gif



You certainly have done your reading. Good job! It seems many people skip tht part when it comes to piranhas.


Unfortunately, for the piranhas you are dead on. Gratz to you though jonny_dw for doing your homework and not impulse-buying a piranha.

Other than geryi, and even then that's for experts only and still rarely works out, you never want to have more than 1 Serrasalmus per aquarium.

I wish I could help you out on where to get it in the UK but I only know how to get them in the US. Not sure if it means anything but in the US sanchezi are relatively easy to get so hopefully that means it's not too hard over there.
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post Jul 17 2008, 07:57 PM
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Sanchezi are badass fish. When you get one though, try not to net it, and if you must net it use an extra large net. Ive seen some pretty bad pictures of peoples fingers when they net a piranha and its not pretty.
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post Jul 17 2008, 10:03 PM
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QUOTE (Gatorbait @ Jul 17 2008, 11:55 AM) *
QUOTE (Mr._Fishy @ Jul 17 2008, 12:13 PM) *
QUOTE (jonny_dw @ Jul 17 2008, 08:05 AM) *
your thinking of red bellied piranha's.

Sanchez piranha's are very intolerable of other fish. I would need a tank in the multiple hundred gallons to keep more than one sanchez piranha. They prefer to be on your own. I understand where your coming from but don't worry Ive read up on them good.gif



You certainly have done your reading. Good job! It seems many people skip tht part when it comes to piranhas.


Unfortunately, for the piranhas you are dead on. Gratz to you though jonny_dw for doing your homework and not impulse-buying a piranha.

Other than geryi, and even then that's for experts only and still rarely works out, you never want to have more than 1 Serrasalmus per aquarium.

I wish I could help you out on where to get it in the UK but I only know how to get them in the US. Not sure if it means anything but in the US sanchezi are relatively easy to get so hopefully that means it's not too hard over there.




Actually, some people have kept serras besides geryis together. I know frank at opefe did a cohab project with some P. nattereri and cariba, one S. maculatus, and 4 S. sanchezi (didn't last forever though and he experienced a few losses). Another person on a different forum bred gold spilos and a few people on that forum have some cohab projects going.
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post Jul 17 2008, 11:46 PM
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QUOTE (Mr._Fishy @ Jul 17 2008, 06:03 PM) *
QUOTE (Gatorbait @ Jul 17 2008, 11:55 AM) *
QUOTE (Mr._Fishy @ Jul 17 2008, 12:13 PM) *
QUOTE (jonny_dw @ Jul 17 2008, 08:05 AM) *
your thinking of red bellied piranha's.

Sanchez piranha's are very intolerable of other fish. I would need a tank in the multiple hundred gallons to keep more than one sanchez piranha. They prefer to be on your own. I understand where your coming from but don't worry Ive read up on them good.gif



You certainly have done your reading. Good job! It seems many people skip tht part when it comes to piranhas.


Unfortunately, for the piranhas you are dead on. Gratz to you though jonny_dw for doing your homework and not impulse-buying a piranha.

Other than geryi, and even then that's for experts only and still rarely works out, you never want to have more than 1 Serrasalmus per aquarium.

I wish I could help you out on where to get it in the UK but I only know how to get them in the US. Not sure if it means anything but in the US sanchezi are relatively easy to get so hopefully that means it's not too hard over there.




Actually, some people have kept serras besides geryis together. I know frank at opefe did a cohab project with some P. nattereri and cariba, one S. maculatus, and 4 S. sanchezi (didn't last forever though and he experienced a few losses). Another person on a different forum bred gold spilos and a few people on that forum have some cohab projects going.


I agree that some have tried it but 99% of the time it doesn't work at all or not for long and that's of the advanced aquarists.

Just as some know that have had rbp's, if you feed them minnows or add other fish the fish could last for days months or even a year but chances are almost 100% that those fish will be killed sooner or later. I wouldn't consider that cohabitating or successful.


Frank himself doesn't sound too sure of the success...

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If you are a frequent visitor or member of a piranha forum on the internet, you have probably heard it before i.e., my piranhas are cohabitating together in a fish aquarium. Are they really? What is the definition of cohabitation? And how does it apply with piranhas?


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There will always be an elite few that will try disprove the nature of the beast only to find out the beast thanks them for the meal.


I think it CAN be done if enough people try it as perhaps S. rhombeus may also be bred in an aquarium hobbyist setting someday but like I said best left to the knowledgable ones and not the beginners.

I am not trying to disagree with you because I do agree with what you said and realize I'm nitpicking so I hope you don't take it that way or think I'm arguing with you.
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post Jul 18 2008, 12:24 AM
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QUOTE (Gatorbait @ Jul 17 2008, 04:46 PM) *
QUOTE (Mr._Fishy @ Jul 17 2008, 06:03 PM) *
QUOTE (Gatorbait @ Jul 17 2008, 11:55 AM) *

Unfortunately, for the piranhas you are dead on. Gratz to you though jonny_dw for doing your homework and not impulse-buying a piranha.

Other than geryi, and even then that's for experts only and still rarely works out, you never want to have more than 1 Serrasalmus per aquarium.

I wish I could help you out on where to get it in the UK but I only know how to get them in the US. Not sure if it means anything but in the US sanchezi are relatively easy to get so hopefully that means it's not too hard over there.



Actually, some people have kept serras besides geryis together. I know frank at opefe did a cohab project with some P. nattereri and cariba, one S. maculatus, and 4 S. sanchezi (didn't last forever though and he experienced a few losses). Another person on a different forum bred gold spilos and a few people on that forum have some cohab projects going.


I agree that some have tried it but 99% of the time it doesn't work at all or not for long and that's of the advanced aquarists.

Just as some know that have had rbp's, if you feed them minnows or add other fish the fish could last for days months or even a year but chances are almost 100% that those fish will be killed sooner or later. I wouldn't consider that cohabitating or successful.


Frank himself doesn't sound too sure of the success...

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If you are a frequent visitor or member of a piranha forum on the internet, you have probably heard it before i.e., my piranhas are cohabitating together in a fish aquarium. Are they really? What is the definition of cohabitation? And how does it apply with piranhas?


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There will always be an elite few that will try disprove the nature of the beast only to find out the beast thanks them for the meal.


I think it CAN be done if enough people try it as perhaps S. rhombeus may also be bred in an aquarium hobbyist setting someday but like I said best left to the knowledgable ones and not the beginners.

I am not trying to disagree with you because I do agree with what you said and realize I'm nitpicking so I hope you don't take it that way or think I'm arguing with you.



I don't think you are just nitpicking. I agree that trying to house such volatile fish together should be left to experts only. I would consider a successful cohabitation to be one that lasts for at least a year or so with no losses outside of the startup. These seem to be few and far between as you said. I wouldn't consider Frank's project a success either but if it weren't for the pygos I think the out come would have been different.

PS I love the disproving the nature of the beast quote. That's going in my sig.

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post Jul 18 2008, 07:38 PM
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QUOTE (Mr._Fishy @ Jul 17 2008, 08:24 PM) *
QUOTE (Gatorbait @ Jul 17 2008, 04:46 PM) *
QUOTE (Mr._Fishy @ Jul 17 2008, 06:03 PM) *
QUOTE (Gatorbait @ Jul 17 2008, 11:55 AM) *

Unfortunately, for the piranhas you are dead on. Gratz to you though jonny_dw for doing your homework and not impulse-buying a piranha.

Other than geryi, and even then that's for experts only and still rarely works out, you never want to have more than 1 Serrasalmus per aquarium.

I wish I could help you out on where to get it in the UK but I only know how to get them in the US. Not sure if it means anything but in the US sanchezi are relatively easy to get so hopefully that means it's not too hard over there.



Actually, some people have kept serras besides geryis together. I know frank at opefe did a cohab project with some P. nattereri and cariba, one S. maculatus, and 4 S. sanchezi (didn't last forever though and he experienced a few losses). Another person on a different forum bred gold spilos and a few people on that forum have some cohab projects going.


I agree that some have tried it but 99% of the time it doesn't work at all or not for long and that's of the advanced aquarists.

Just as some know that have had rbp's, if you feed them minnows or add other fish the fish could last for days months or even a year but chances are almost 100% that those fish will be killed sooner or later. I wouldn't consider that cohabitating or successful.


Frank himself doesn't sound too sure of the success...

QUOTE
If you are a frequent visitor or member of a piranha forum on the internet, you have probably heard it before i.e., my piranhas are cohabitating together in a fish aquarium. Are they really? What is the definition of cohabitation? And how does it apply with piranhas?


QUOTE
There will always be an elite few that will try disprove the nature of the beast only to find out the beast thanks them for the meal.


I think it CAN be done if enough people try it as perhaps S. rhombeus may also be bred in an aquarium hobbyist setting someday but like I said best left to the knowledgable ones and not the beginners.

I am not trying to disagree with you because I do agree with what you said and realize I'm nitpicking so I hope you don't take it that way or think I'm arguing with you.



I don't think you are just nitpicking. I agree that trying to house such volatile fish together should be left to experts only. I would consider a successful cohabitation to be one that lasts for at least a year or so with no losses outside of the startup. These seem to be few and far between as you said. I wouldn't consider Frank's project a success either but if it weren't for the pygos I think the out come would have been different.

PS I love the disproving the nature of the beast quote. That's going in my sig.


lol yea, I saved it a while ago because I liked the saying.

If I had the money to blow I would most definitely try to co-hab. I've tried it twice in the past but didn't work out well and I can't afford to do it just yet.

If you try it PM me and let me know, I'd love to hear the updates.
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